Wall Street Huge Contributor To Obama Campaign

[Dolphins9954]

Originally Posted by Crickett

Wait wait wait. Doesn't this mean that Wall Street SUPPORTS Obama? But I thought the reason Wall Street was dropping was because Obama was going to be elected. I remember hearing that all over the place before the election.




Hasn't exactly happened, has it?
Obama isn't exactly the president yet, is he?


Fearmongering. Now, THAT'S change we can believe in.

Please read post #10.

[Crickett]

Originally Posted by Dolphins9954

Please read post #10.

Please tell me which one of those links is a budget put forth by Obama.

[Dolphins9954]

Originally Posted by Locke

Maybe you're right, maybe not. The person I wanted to vote for all along was Ron Paul, but since he didn't match the Republican party's idea of a candidate, he wasn't even in the equation. My next choice was Obama. It wasn't a lesser of two evils for me, I honestly see Obama being a great president. I just get tired of all this constant bashing of someone yet to make a decision as a president. Its juvenile...

I supported Ron Paul from the beginning and continue to support him. I even wrote him in for my vote. I couldn't bring myself to vote for the lesser of two evils because that ensures constant evil. You are right we are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Which makes principle all that more important. I don't see Obama as change at all. When it comes to fiscal and monertary policies. I sure as hell don't see change when it comes to debt and inflation. I don't like the fact that two-thirds of his transition team are Clinton's people. I don't see change when it comes to his votes againsts freedoms and liberties. Not to mention the Constitution. I don't like Obama keeping Gates who said that we will be in Iraq for years to come. No matter who gets elected. I don't like his choice for NSA James Jones who supports torture. And picking Hillary and Emanuel was probably two of the biggest mistakes he has commited so far.

Which is what brings me to the conclusion that change is not coming.

Only smoke and mirrors.

[Dolphins9954]

Originally Posted by Crickett

Please tell me which one of those links is a budget put forth by Obama.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...ing_obama.html
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publi....cfm?ID=411750
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/Uploa...es_summary.pdf

This was before the bailouts. His budget along with Mccains was drowning in debt. Since then Obama voted for the bailout bill that has added trillions to the debt. He also supports more bailouts and Bush Stimulus checks. Which would only add even more debt and inflation.

[Crickett]

Originally Posted by Dolphins9954

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...ing_obama.html
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publi....cfm?ID=411750
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/Uploa...es_summary.pdf

The first link is about inaccuracies about the McCain campaign.
The second/third link is an analysis and projections based on campaign staff and stump speaches.

Now, how about an ACTUAL, not guesstimated analyzed possibly projected budget?

[Dolphins9954]

Originally Posted by MDFINFAN

Okay, let's do nothing....like we have for the last year until now...this recession started in Dec..2007, we did nothing until Nov 2008, by doing nothing did we stop anything from happening? So what's your suggestion.

Number one. Follow the Constitution would be the best start. Have a constitutional government that doesn't take away our freedom and get us into unconstitutional and undeclared wars. A government that doesn't drown us in debt and inflation. A government that keeps a budget. A government that doesn't bailout crooks. A government that looks out for the people and not special interests and lobbyists. A government that doesn't expect the poor and innocent to pay for the guilty and rich. A government where taking bribes is against the law.

Or better yet. A government that gives Peter Schiff a call. If Obama made someone like Schiff head of his Economic Team. Or in charge of Fiscal and Monetary policies. I would feel like maybe Obama is change. So far all I see is the same.

[Dolphins9954]

Originally Posted by Crickett

The first link is about inaccuracies about the McCain campaign.
The second/third link is an analysis and projections based on campaign staff and stump speaches.

Now, how about an ACTUAL, not guesstimated analyzed possibly projected budget?

The first link is about inaccuracies about Obama's campaign not Mccain's. Did you read it?

This is misleading. Even by his own campaign’s estimates, closing corporate loopholes and tax havens won’t pay for all of Obama’s new plans. In July, the campaign told the Los Angeles Times that they estimate the yearly cost of their proposed tax cuts at $130 billion. They put revenue from closing tax loopholes at just $80 billion. Obama also proposes to raise taxes to pre-Bush levels for families earning more than $250,000 a year and singles making more than $200,000, yielding additional revenue. But he didn't mention that in his speech.

But Obama’s claim is misleading on another level. According to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, "without substantial cuts in government spending" Obama’s plan – and McCain's, too – "would substantially increase the national debt over the next ten years." Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor told FactCheck.org that the Tax Policy Center's analysis "fails to take in account Senator Obama's spending cuts, including ending the Iraq war." That's true, but Obama's proposed cuts are dwarfed by the Tax Policy Center's projected deficits. Obama’s new spending programs might be completely offset by new revenue and spending cuts. But overall spending will still exceed overall revenue, and the nation would face at least 10 more years of annual deficits.

This is coming from Obama's DNC speech. Where he said what he planned to do with his own words or teleprompter. Obama then voted for the bailout bill that has added trillions to the debt. And added to the inflation from all the money the Federal Reserve is printing out of thin air. Obama is on record post-election saying that he supports more bailouts and more Bush style Stimulus checks. He also has said with his own words Post-Election once again. That "we shouldn't worry about the deficit next year or even the year after.''

I have supplied more than enough evidence that all Obama is proposing is more debt, deficits and inflation. It's time you show me otherwise.

[Crickett]

Originally Posted by Dolphins9954

Did you read it?

How many of these didn't start with some mention of a claim about McCain was wrong?

Originally Posted by Dolphins9954

I have supplied more than enough evidence that all Obama is proposing is more debt, deficits and inflation. It's time you show me otherwise.

Yes, you have shown lots of proof. In much the same way

this picture



Proves bigfoot exists.

You know what would prove all of these claims of more bailouts and high taxes and less freedoms and puppy kicking? An actual budget proposal.

[Dolphins9954]

Originally Posted by Crickett

How many of these didn't start with some mention of a claim about McCain was wrong?





Yes, you have shown lots of proof. In much the same way

this picture



Proves bigfoot exists.

You know what would prove all of these claims of more bailouts and high taxes and less freedoms and puppy kicking? An actual budget proposal.

"we shouldn't worry about the deficit next year or even the year after.''

No need for bigfoot pictures when I'm getting it straight from the horse's mouth. Not to mention his vote for the bailouts. And his post-election support for even more bailouts and stimulus checks. All this even before his budget proposals. Don't you get it? Debt and Inflation is here to stay. And we shouldn't worry about it.

[Crickett]

Originally Posted by Dolphins9954

"we shouldn't worry about the deficit next year or even the year after.''

No need for bigfoot pictures when I'm getting it straight from the horse's mouth. Not to mention his vote for the bailouts. And his post-election support for even more bailouts and stimulus checks. All this even before his budget proposals. Don't you get it? Debt and Inflation is here to stay. And we shouldn't worry about it.

I'd rather get it from the soon to be president's budget plan than the horse's mouth. Simply put, you can't take that out of context. Whether that quote was or not, I don't know. But you can't make that mistake with a budget proposal.

[Dolphins9954]

Originally Posted by Crickett

I'd rather get it from the soon to be president's budget plan than the horse's mouth. Simply put, you can't take that out of context. Whether that quote was or not, I don't know. But you can't make that mistake with a budget proposal.

Once again. From his vote for the bailouts. To his support for more bailouts. To his own words post-election for more Bush style Stimulus checks. Already ensures, once again. Already ensures that Obama will continue the debt and inflation. Even before he even submits a budget. His budget would only add to the already record debt and deficits. When Obama says that he is going to continue the debt and deficits. I have to take him at his word.

[Crickett]

Originally Posted by Dolphins9954

Once again. From his vote for the bailouts. To his support for more bailouts. To his own words post-election for more Bush style Stimulus checks. Already ensures, once again. Already ensures that Obama will continue the debt and inflation. Even before he even submits a budget. His budget would only add to the already record debt and deficits. When Obama says that he is going to continue the debt and deficits. I have to take him at his word.

And once again, I'll wait until he actually gets into office (and does something) before I say he isn't really providing the change he promised.

[Dolphins9954]

Originally Posted by Crickett

And once again, I'll wait until he actually gets into office (and does something) before I say he isn't really providing the change he promised.

So his own words post-election of what he said he will do means nothing?

[Crickett]

Originally Posted by Dolphins9954

So his own words post-election of what he said he will do means nothing?

I don't really know what it means. Maybe not worrying about the deficit is because the economy is doing badly enough that there is not enough that can be cut without causing some serious problems in the services our government provides to match the reduction in taxes we're going to have next year.

Or maybe its because he plans to give money to all of his money to all of his friends while twirling a handlebar mustache that he has concealed all of these months and laughing maniacally.

Or maybe we shouldn't worry because this will actually happen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1ckrEeHDRY

I don't know. And I won't until he starts his job on January 20th.