Bills Taking Hard Line On Peters

[Brassmonki14120]

Originally Posted by feelthepain

TS has half the Cowboys coaches and Asst, a team that went 13-3 last year. Tony also has BP to answer any question and give his expert advise. I know you think the Bills are better then the Dolphins in every way, but they're not. TS has far more to draw from then Juron. Juron has a track record and it's been losing. TS has been a Oline coach for quite a few and has been working with BP. BP hand picked this coaching staff. He knows what to look for in successful candidates. Tony also has Ireland one of the brightest young minds n the game.



Every year it's something with Bill fans, last year it was JP Losman and the awsome Oline, howd that turn out? This year it Trent Edwards and the returning Defense...blah, blah, blah.

If the Bills had made significant strides, I could see the Bill fans thinking they're better. But they always end up sucking and the fans spew nonsense about how much better they will be.

Miami had a ton of injuries in 07 too and not just on one side of the ball, but Bill fans ignore this while telling us how our team is two years behind theirs. So we lose players due to injury and have a bad year and the Bills lose players and have a bad year. The Bills win 6 more games, but the Dolphin finish the season better ranked on both sides of the ball, but the Bills are 2 years ahead of the Dolphins.

Based on the fact that any team can go from worst to first and somone does every year. I find it a joke to hear Bill fans opinions on the two teams. Take into account the Bills have just 2 wins in the last 32 over teams with winning records and the fact that 4 of the Bills 7 wins last year came against the Jets and Dolphins and 2 other wins against the Bengals and Ravnes and the bills had 6 wins against teams that were a combined 21-47 hardly like the Bills beat the class of the NFL in 07. Bill fans opinions of their team is way, way wayyyyyy, overrated .

First of all, I have ALWAYS been reallistic when it comes to the Bills and the fish. Take a second and go back and actually read what I've posted about both teams over since the Nictator came to miami. I ask you to show me where I've posted anything about our teams that wasn't realistic.

I don't post like some, "your team can't do well because it's your team" or "my team is going to the playoffs because they're my team".

I've been SO MUCH MORE honest then you have in what I've posted about every team or player that I've thrown my 2 cents in about.

So to be honest with you, right now the Bills are at least 3-4 years ahead of the fish when it comes to being a complete team. I'm not saying the Bills are a lock for the playoffs, I'm not saying they are the greatest team in the NFL or the division for that matter. They are, however, the better team between Them and the fish.

[DaBills4life]

Originally Posted by feelthepain

TS has half the Cowboys coaches and Asst, a team that went 13-3 last year. Tony also has BP to answer any question and give his expert advise. I know you think the Bills are better then the Dolphins in every way, but they're not. TS has far more to draw from then Juron. Juron has a track record and it's been losing. TS has been a Oline coach for quite a few and has been working with BP. BP hand picked this coaching staff. He knows what to look for in successful candidates. Tony also has Ireland one of the brightest young minds n the game.



Every year it's something with Bill fans, last year it was JP Losman and the awsome Oline, howd that turn out? This year it Trent Edwards and the returning Defense...blah, blah, blah.

If the Bills had made significant strides, I could see the Bill fans thinking they're better. But they always end up sucking and the fans spew nonsense about how much better they will be.

Miami had a ton of injuries in 07 too and not just on one side of the ball, but Bill fans ignore this while telling us how our team is two years behind theirs. So we lose players due to injury and have a bad year and the Bills lose players and have a bad year. The Bills win 6 more games, but the Dolphin finish the season better ranked on both sides of the ball, but the Bills are 2 years ahead of the Dolphins.

Based on the fact that any team can go from worst to first and somone does every year. I find it a joke to hear Bill fans opinions on the two teams. Take into account the Bills have just 2 wins in the last 32 over teams with winning records and the fact that 4 of the Bills 7 wins last year came against the Jets and Dolphins and 2 other wins against the Bengals and Ravnes and the bills had 6 wins against teams that were a combined 21-47 hardly like the Bills beat the class of the NFL in 07. Bill fans opinions of their team is way, way wayyyyyy, overrated.

lol, you obviously dont read your own board.

[djfresh47]

Originally Posted by feelthepain

I said they had a better defense in 06 and still finished 31st.

So wouldn't that basically say that state is meaningless? Clements and Fletcher were very good players. Now they're probably overpaid. They finished 7-9 both years. Last year the Eagles finished top 10 in offense and defense. The division is a factor but they weren't a playoff team. The great Bears defense was ranked 28th. Buffalo gave up a ton of yards as your stat shows but they didn't give up as many points a team should give up for giving up soo many yards.

I think the Bills in '06 had a bunch of guys who thought real highly of themselves like McGahee, Spikes and didn't really produce to that level. Nate Clements got a ton of money and while he's good it seems like all his picks came against Miami's rotation of bums playing Qb.

[feelthepain]

Originally Posted by Brassmonki14120

I've been SO MUCH MORE honest then you have in what I've posted about every team or player that I've thrown my 2 cents in about.

The above quote, is contradictory the the below quote.

So to be honest with you, right now the Bills are at least 3-4 years ahead of the fish when it comes to being a complete team. I'm not saying the Bills are a lock for the playoffs, I'm not saying they are the greatest team in the NFL or the division for that matter. They are, however, the better team between Them and the fish.

I just love how you ignored all the facts about the Bills then tell me you're much more relaistic about the Bills then I am about the fins.

The Buffalo Bills:

A) The Bills have not had a winning season since MM was your HC,

B) Your current HC has a losing recoord with the Bills 4 games below 500., in just 32 games.

C) The Bills have maybe 1 probowler who isn't a kicker

D) The Bills have 2 wins against teams with winning records, (8-8) or better in their last 32 games.

E) The Bills have not made the playoffs since 99.

F) The Bills finished each of the last 2 seasons, with the 31st ranked Defense and the 30th ranked offense and in each of the last two season were 7-9.

Now you can ignore all the facts above on your way to creating this invisible seperation "YOU" seem to think exists between the Dolphins and Bills. But anyone who looks at the list above and knows everything I said about the Bills is true, there is no such seperation. The Bills have not been stedily imporving from one season to the next, they have not made strides. Their outcome from season to season has not gotten better.

They do not beat the good teams of the league, they are simply a bad team. Yes, I said it....winning 7 games makes you a bad team, having both nearly the worst offense and defense makes you a bad team, having a HC with a losing record makes you a bad team, not making the playoffs in nearly 10 years makes you a bad team. The Bills do not suffer from one or two of the problems in thast list at the mopment, they suffer from all those fact at the monment. Till the Bills change the things on that list they are a bad team and in no way have a 3 year seperation on any team in the division except the Pats, who are 3 years ahead of the Bills...at least.

You can now come back and tell me how much more realistic you are about the Bills and believe the words coming out of your mouth, but the facts above simply don't support your opinion.

[Brassmonki14120]

Originally Posted by feelthepain

The above quote, is contradictory the the below quote.





I just love how you ignored all the facts about the Bills then tell me you're much more relaistic about the Bills then I am about the fins.

The Buffalo Bills:

A) The Bills have not had a winning season since MM was your HC,

B) Your current HC has a losing recoord with the Bills 4 games below 500., in just 32 games.

C) The Bills have maybe 1 probowler who isn't a kicker

D) The Bills have 2 wins against teams with winning records, (8-8) or better in their last 32 games.

E) The Bills have not made the playoffs since 99.

F) The Bills finished each of the last 2 seasons, with the 31st ranked Defense and the 30th ranked offense and in each of the last two season were 7-9.

Now you can ignore all the facts above on your way to creating this invisible seperation "YOU" seem to think exists between the Dolphins and Bills. But anyone who looks at the list above and knows everything I said about the Bills is true, there is no such seperation. The Bills have not been stedily imporving from one season to the next, they have not made strides. Their outcome from season to season has not gotten better.

They do not beat the good teams of the league, they are simply a bad team. Yes, I said it....winning 7 games makes you a bad team, having both nearly the worst offense and defense makes you a bad team, having a HC with a losing record makes you a bad team, not making the playoffs in nearly 10 years makes you a bad team. The Bills do not suffer from one or two of the problems in thast list at the mopment, they suffer from all those fact at the monment. Till the Bills change the things on that list they are a bad team and in no way have a 3 year seperation on any team in the division except the Pats, who are 3 years ahead of the Bills...at least.

You can now come back and tell me how much more realistic you are about the Bills and believe the words coming out of your mouth, but the facts above simply don't support your opinion .

Can you please point out where I haven't been realistic?

The Bills are years ahead of the fish when it comes to being a complete team. The Bills have been in rebuilding mode (way too long in my opinion) for the better part of this decade. The losing seasons should be coming to an end as the rebuilding is coming to and end.

The Bills have allot of young talented players, quite a few with NFL experience after all the injuries last year. The past few seasons they have also added some solid talent on both sides of the ball.

The fish on the other hand have been playing QB and head coach shuffle every year for the last lord knows how long. The crappy drafts and horrible free agent moves have left the fish the bottom feeder of the entire NFL. This year the fish have made some ok moves, penny being the best. It still doesn't mean much because you need receivers, a TE, some O-line depth, Some D-line depth, some linebacker depth (porter is a $25 million walking injury), I do think the fish DBs are shaping up better than most are expecting them to.

I do agree the Pats have been and are light years ahead of the Bills because they field a completed and stacked team every year. The fish though have allot of catching up to do with the Bills and Jets both.

Since you keep pointing out how the Bills have had the 31st ranked defense the past two seasons and haven't bolstered them in any way shape or form we should make a wager.

If the fish defense ranks higher than the Bills Defense this season I wont post on finheaven until the start of training camp 2011.

If the Bills Defense ranks higher than the fish's defense you don't post on finheaven until the start of training camp 2011.

[feelthepain]

Originally Posted by Brassmonki14120

Can you please point out where I haven't been realistic?

After everything I listed from A-F you still see a seperation from the Bills to the Dolphins is where you are not being realistic.

The Bills are NOT....NOT a good team!!!!! How many more ways can it be said. You look at the players on your team and you make up how talented they are. But when you look at the statistics, they don't support the talented group YOU think they are. So where is this seperation?? No probowlers, no all pros no one in a Bills uniform that stands out in any way shape or form. Marshawn Lynch would probably be the closeest thing to s star the Bills have and he's a RB, they are a dime a dozen in the NFL. The easiest position to get production from on the field, big deal.

The Bills are years ahead of the fish when it comes to being a complete team. The Bills have been in rebuilding mode (way too long in my opinion) for the better part of this decade. The losing seasons should be coming to an end as the rebuilding is coming to and end.

Seriously, you need to stop. You have this idea in your head that the Bills have accoplished soemthing...they've done nothing. No winning seasons, not all star list of players, no dominance in the division, no playoffs NOTHING!!! Yet you talk as if your team has reached this level of competence. Is being below 500. for like the last 3 years your idea of achievement?? Think about this, what do the Jets and Dolphins have to do to have a better season then the Bills did the last three years?

Become 8-8? That's what you think sets the Bills apart? You act as if reaching 500 is this impossible mountain that can't be reached from one season to the next. STOP IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Bills have allot of young talented players, quite a few with NFL experience after all the injuries last year. The past few seasons they have also added some solid talent on both sides of the ball.

The Dolphins have a lot of young talneted players, quite a few with NFL experience. The Dolphins have also added some solid talent to both sides of the ball the past few seasons. I'm not really sure how your paragraph above is relevant here, there's no difference in the two teams in this respect.

The fish on the other hand have been playing QB and head coach shuffle every year for the last lord knows how long.

And so have the Bills, JP Losman, Dick Juron Trent Edwards, Wade Phillips, Greg Williams. Seems to me you only see the negative in others, while ignoring the same problems within your own team...people in glass houses!!!!

The crappy drafts and horrible free agent moves have left the fish the bottom feeder of the entire NFL.

Unlike the Bills and their awsome acquisitions and draft picks that have helped them maintain a losing season and worst statistics in the diviision year after year.

This year the fish have made some ok moves, penny being the best. It still doesn't mean much because you need receivers, a TE, some O-line depth, Some D-line

Miami is just fine at WR, the Bills have nothing special, your best WR has a grand total of 1 tousand yard season in his career and he's the best you have the same guy who disappeard last year. You have no room to talk about another teams WO's. TE??? Are you serious?? Robert Royal?? That's who the Bills have to depend on?? Miami went out and got Anthony Fassano this offseason he was a second round pick for the Cowboys just 2 years ago. I'd say that Miami's TE situation is better then the Bills.

Oline and D-line?? Depth may be a concern, but Rome wasn't built in a day, however again the Bills lines don't scare anyone....at all and your depth is no better. You have YET ANOTHER disgruntled player in Jason Peters who doesn't want to play for a team that cares more about their bottom line then winning. Again you are looking at others weakneses and ignoring your own. Typical Bill fan.

I do agree the Pats have been and are light years ahead of the Bills because they field a completed and stacked team every year. The fish though have allot of catching up to do with the Bills and Jets both.

For Miami,

The Pats: Yes

The Jets: Maybe

The Bills: No frikin way. The Bills are far and away our least worry in the division.

Since you keep pointing out how the Bills have had the 31st ranked defense the past two seasons and haven't bolstered them in any way shape or form we should make a wager.

Wagers prove nothing, there's your opinion and mine. You stick to your opinions and I'll stick to mine.

If the fish defense ranks higher than the Bills Defense this season I wont post on finheaven until the start of training camp 2011.

The Dolphins ranked higher then the Bills defensively each of the last three seasons, yet here you are telling us how bad we are and trying to make a wager that "proves" your team is better. Seriously that's frikin funny stuff!!

If the Bills Defense ranks higher than the fish's defense you don't post on finheaven until the start of training camp 2011.

Lest see you post in the AFC East forum...just to start trouble and that's maybe once in a while with just over 500 posts. I'm a mod and have over 7,000 posts here and you think the above bet would of equal value to each of us?? Good lord, does it get any funnier.

[Brassmonki14120]

I can't believe you can go on and on and on and on telling me how the Bills are not... NOT a good team particularly on Defense and then you wont back up anything you post to me.

Well I don't want to make you do something you seem to have the better sense not... NOT to do.

If at anytime, before the start of the regular season, you begin to feel that your teams defense may have a chance to be better than the Bills defense please feel free to come back and make the wager.

And I don't post to start trouble, I share my opinion (which is strong enough for me to stand behind) and participate in discussions.

[DaBills4life]

feelthepain, put your money where your mouth is. This should be easy money for you, since Miami is better than Buffalo. Bet the under 7.5 wins for Buffalo.

https://sportsbook.gamingsystem.net/sportsbook4/www.sportsbook.com/getodds.xgi?categoryId=510

[Deep2Evans]

I bet he thinks Miami was better than Buffalo last year, or the year before too. Haha.

[feelthepain]

Originally Posted by Brassmonki14120

I can't believe you can go on and on and on and on telling me how the Bills are not... NOT a good team particularly on Defense and then you wont back up anything you post to me.

I have given you example after example as to why your opinion of the Bills is way, way, WAAAAAAAY overrated and you simply refuse to accepet the ACTUAL FACTS. I can't help you accept the actual facts that are. If you refuse to see them and say to yourself..."Yes, we had the 31st ranked Defense and the 30th ranked Offense each of the last 2 seasons and if you refuse to say, Yes we've been under 500 since MM was the HC, and If you refuse to say yes we've not made the Playoffs since 99, then there's nothing left to say, you're in denial about who you really root for cause all those things are actual facts that make up the RECENT histroy of your favorite team. It is what it is.

As for the two defenses, I think the Dolphins are better. RIGHT NOW!! I don't need to make a wager to prove it. That's how I feel.

[feelthepain]

Originally Posted by DaBills4life

feelthepain, put your money where your mouth is. This should be easy money for you, since Miami is better than Buffalo. Bet the under 7.5 wins for Buffalo.

https://sportsbook.gamingsystem.net/...categoryId=510

Why is it so hard for you to allow someone else to have their own opinion and leave it at that? I don't agree with Bill fans opinion of their team, plain and simple. In case you missed it, this is a forum put here to express ones opinion. Bill fans have expressed their opinions and I've expressed mine. Sometimes you use facts to epxress that opinion. It's a very simple concept. Making a bet is not going to make me believe you have any more faith in your opinion then you do. You believe what you believe, I believe what I believe. End of discussion.

[djfresh47]

Jason Peters isn't in camp right now. Though I think he's an all-pro caliber player at LT. Really i'm hoping that Jake Long can turn into a Jason Peters like player.

[Brassmonki14120]

Originally Posted by feelthepain

I have given you example after example as to why your opinion of the Bills is way, way, WAAAAAAAY overrated and you simply refuse to accepet the ACTUAL FACTS. I can't help you accept the actual facts that are. If you refuse to see them and say to yourself..."Yes, we had the 31st ranked Defense and the 30th ranked Offense each of the last 2 seasons and if you refuse to say, Yes we've been under 500 since MM was the HC, and If you refuse to say yes we've not made the Playoffs since 99, then there's nothing left to say, you're in denial about who you really root for cause all those things are actual facts that make up the RECENT histroy of your favorite team. It is what it is.

As for the two defenses, I think the Dolphins are better. RIGHT NOW!! I don't need to make a wager to prove it. That's how I feel .

I know what the facts are and I know what the Defense has ranked. I also believe, because it's my opinion, that the Bills' Defense is better than the fish's. I feel that with the additions and returning healthy players on Defense for the Bills and the fish losing key players that the Bills will field the better Defense.

Buffalo has more depth and more skill on both sides of the ball. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.