Food for thought

[MR NFLFAN]

Originally Posted by unluckyluciano

Pushed to the limit as opposed to breaking the rule completely.

“Lovers always think that other people are blind”

Spanish Proverb

Funny how you neglect his admissions of actually crossing the line and breaking the rules.

Illegal video taping and circumventing the 15 sec cuttoff in communications with the QB both of which were and are cheating.

Not all teams did it but for sure this has been going on long before spygate and not limited to NE.

I stand by my original statement a few post back.
Honesty in the NFL was over a long long time ago.

[Itsdahumidity]

Originally Posted by MR NFLFAN

Funny how you neglect his admissions of actually crossing the line and breaking the rules.

Illegal video taping and circumventing the 15 sec cuttoff in communications with the QB both of which were and are cheating.

Not all teams did it but for sure this has been going on long before spygate and not limited to NE.

I stand by my original statement a few post back.
Honesty in the NFL was over a long long time ago.

Funny how you continue to quote ol Pork Face. You neglect the fact that he has one of the biggest egos who has an ax to grind plus he's the Cheater's fishing buddy. Yeah, Pork Face wouldn't cut off his nose to spite his face would he?

[Coral Reefer]

Originally Posted by MR NFLFAN

I stand by my original statement a few post back.
Honesty in the NFL was over a long long time ago.

HA!

Again, out of all the "dynasty" type teams your team is the ONLY one that has ever had these types of claims leveled against them.

That alone speaks volumes let alone the proof that was destroyed and the proof that has yet to come out.

Until there's ANY proof that another team has done anything anywhere near the Pasty organization, your words are nothing but a diversion.

Not to mention that it's a HUGE story change from you!
Just a few weeks ago your valiant team was innocent and now "well everyone is doing it". You got your next story made up to make you feel better as this gets deeper?

[SpaceMountain16]

Originally Posted by Coral Reefer

HA!

Again, out of all the "dynasty" type teams your team is the ONLY one that has ever had these types of claims leveled against them.

That alone speaks volumes let alone the proof that was destroyed and the proof that has yet to come out.

Until there's ANY proof that another team has done anything anywhere near the Pasty organization, your words are nothing but a diversion.

Not to mention that it's a HUGE story change from you!
Just a few weeks ago your valiant team was innocent and now "well everyone is doing it". You got your next story made up to make you feel better as this gets deeper?

When it rains, it pours.

I hate the Patriots as much as anyone else. But the cheating thing i agree has becoming nothing more than a smear campaign. The Patriots are the best team this decade, that's a fact. Whether they taped their opponents in games or not, they have been the most consistent winning team this decade.

What's wrong with the Patriots is Bill Belichick having the arrogance to think he can do anything to win, unnecessary things that may form an unbalanced playing field such as stealing signals. But that's because Bill Belichick is an arrogant classless human being. He's not the reason for the Patriots success.

If he was suspended for life from football today the Patriots would still be the best team in football.

[unluckyluciano]

Originally Posted by MR NFLFAN

Funny how you neglect his admissions of actually crossing the line and breaking the rules.

I do nothing of the sort. You posted and highlighted the part where he talks about what he did in miami to show us that oooo our team cheated as well. But if you read the article the article writer says it is just pushing the limits of the rules and not breaking them. In fact he repeatedly says they pushed the limits of the rules and not broke the rules as the patsies are accused of doing. So why you are trying to equate what JJ is admitting to to what the patsies are accused of is beyond me.

Originally Posted by MR NFLFAN

Illegal video taping and circumventing the 15 sec cuttoff in communications with the QB both of which were and are cheating.

Ummmm in some cases I could see them being equal but trying to equate what the patsies are accused of to circumventing the cutoff is laughable.

Originally Posted by MR NFLFAN

Not all teams did it but for sure this has been going on long before spygate and not limited to NE.

Possibly. Does not justify your teams actions nor does it mean they should get off without punishment.

Originally Posted by MR NFLFAN

I stand by my original statement a few post back.
Honesty in the NFL was over a long long time ago.

Again your trying to justify your team possible getting in some deep **** by saying well everyone is doing it. That is an excuse and does not mean they should get off without a punishment.

[MR NFLFAN]

Originally Posted by unluckyluciano

I did nothing of the sort. You posted and highlighted the part where he talks about what he did in miami to show us that oooo our team cheated as well. But if you read the article the article writer seems to think it is just pushing the limits of the rules and not breaking them. His admissions to breaking the rules are when he was talking about his earlier coaching career.


Ummmm in some cases I could see them being equal but trying to equate what the patsies are accused of to circumventing the cutoff is laughable.


Possibly. Does not justify your teams actions nor does it mean they should get off without punishment.

Again your trying to justify your team possible getting in some deep **** by saying well everyone is doing it. That is an excuse and does not mean they should get off without a punishment.

I wasn't trying to justify anything nor have I suggest the Pats get off without punishment and I don't know where you even come up with that. I suggest you go back and read my first post in this thread. This is what I said

I think the the days of complete honesty were over a long long time ago in the NFL. All the events of spygate have served to do is to take away the naivete and innocense of the Fans.

I posted the Johnson story to show testimony that cheating has been going on in the league for quite some time. You can choose to down play it all you want and even try and smear his name but at least the man had guts enough to admit what has been going on in the league long before last september.

It doesn't justify what Belichick did but it does show the pattern of these so called "honest" fooball games that many of you think we've had. It's all been a big illusion of honesty in the eyes of the fans but make no mistake about it's been going on a long time.
It's shown me that the league has to police itself much more rigously than it has

[unluckyluciano]

Originally Posted by MR NFLFAN

I wasn't trying to justify anything nor have I suggest the Pats get off without punishment and I don't know where you even come up with that. I suggest you go back and read my first post in this thread. This is what I said

I know what you said and you can mean one thing and I can interpret it differently. Hence why we are to seperate beings. Having said that it still comes off as a justification for your team doing something wrong and getting caught. Maybe you have not said they should/ should not be punished but that is the next logical conclusion in any defense is let me off because of said defense.

Originally Posted by MR NFLFAN

I posted the Johnson story to show testimony that cheating has been going on in the league for quite some time. You can choose to down play it all you want and even try and smear his name but at least the man had guts enough to admit what has been going on in the league long before last september.

I in no way attacked his character. I do however, see a difference between trying to get away with pushing the boundaries of rules vs completely breaking the rules. Yes the line can get blurred but the line still exists instead of it being behind you because you stepped over it a long time ago.

Originally Posted by MR NFLFAN

It doesn't justify what Belichick did but it does show the pattern of these so called "honest" fooball games that many of you think we've had. It's all been a big illusion of honesty in the eyes of the fans but make no mistake about it's been going on a long time.
It's shown me that the league has to police itself much more rigously than it has

Again you say it doesn't justify it, then you add the but, which means a justification . Sorry again thats how I read it.
I'm sure other teams have cheated but again the patsies got caught and the patsies and their fans should, if adequate proof, should accept their punishment and not try to play the role of the whipping boy.

[MR NFLFAN]

Originally Posted by Coral Reefer

HA!

Again, out of all the "dynasty" type teams your team is the ONLY one that has ever had these types of claims leveled against them.

That alone speaks volumes let alone the proof that was destroyed and the proof that has yet to come out.

Until there's ANY proof that another team has done anything anywhere near the Pasty organization, your words are nothing but a diversion.

Not to mention that it's a HUGE story change from you!
Just a few weeks ago your valiant team was innocent and now "well everyone is doing it". You got your next story made up to make you feel better as this gets deeper?

Please don't invent stories or put words in my mouth I've never said. Find a link of me ever saying the Pats were innocent.
We have a confession of guilt by johnson for doing the exact same things and you ask for proof? Thats what I'd call denial at its finest.
Does it make me feel better about what the patriots did? Most certainly not.
All the Johnson interview did was to open my eyes as to whats been going on within the league for years and the fact that the league warned him tells me that they also knew it. What Belichick did was wrong but I believe is just the tip of the iceburg and being a fan it makes me wonder what else the league turned a blind eye to. Take your patriot hating glasses off for just a minute and ask yourself if we believe in honest football games such as the Senator stated shouldn't we be willing to look deep within the leagues past practices and its honor system policy?

[MR NFLFAN]

Originally Posted by unluckyluciano

I know what you said and you can mean one thing and I can interpret it differently. Hence why we are to seperate beings. Having said that it still comes off as a justification for your team doing something wrong and getting caught. Maybe you have not said they should/ should not be punished but that is the next logical conclusion in any defense is let me off because of said defense.

News flash They have already been punished and nobody has asked to be let off. It pretty much useless trying to explain anything to you as you have a set in stone mentality that all pats fans try to justifiy cheating and that we shouldn't be punished. Its clear your hatred is whats responsible for how you interrupt everything and then twist it around to suit your own thoughts.

I in no way attacked his character. I do however, see a difference between trying to get away with pushing the boundaries of rules vs completely breaking the rules. Yes the line can get blurred but the line still exists instead of it being behind you because you stepped over it a long time ago.

So circumventing the 15 sec communications rule and video taping are "pushing the boundries" to you unless of course its done by NE then its clearly breaking the rules? I see why you have trouble interrupting what I've said/

Again you say it doesn't justify it, then you add the but, which means a justification . Sorry again thats how I read it.
I'm sure other teams have cheated but again the patsies got caught and the patsies and their fans should, if adequate proof, should accept their punishment and not try to play the role of the whipping boy.

Tell me as a fan are you more concerned with honest football games or just who gets caught?

[late again]

Originally Posted by Coral Reefer

HA!

Again, out of all the "dynasty" type teams your team is the ONLY one that has ever had these types of claims leveled against them.

That alone speaks volumes let alone the proof that was destroyed and the proof that has yet to come out.

Until there's ANY proof that another team has done anything anywhere near the Pasty organization, your words are nothing but a diversion.

Not to mention that it's a HUGE story change from you!
Just a few weeks ago your valiant team was innocent and now "well everyone is doing it". You got your next story made up to make you feel better as this gets deeper?

That's actually not true. Both the 49ers and Broncos were fined for paying players under the table under their so-called glory years. There have long been rumors of the Steelers' training staff having provided steroids to players during their "glory years". For that matter after JJ's comments, it's not that big of a leap to assume the Cowboys were guilty of improprieties while he was there. What about all the tampering that apparently occurs every year?

[unluckyluciano]

Originally Posted by MR NFLFAN

News flash They have already been punished and nobody has asked to be let off. It pretty much useless trying to explain anything to you as you have a set in stone mentality that all pats fans try to justifiy cheating and that we shouldn't be punished. Its clear your hatred is whats responsible for how you interrupt everything and then twist it around to suit your own thoughts.

For taping signals at the jets game yes they have been punished. I am refering to their possible punishment at whatever comes out the rest of this offseason. And either way regardless of if they have been punished or will be punished you can not, but still will try I'm sure, to justify their actions by saying everyone else does it. And news flash you don't know me or about "my hatred". So you should try another route that does not include you attacking my motives that you think you know about. Thanks.

Originally Posted by MR NFLFAN

So circumventing the 15 sec communications rule and video taping are "pushing the boundries" to you unless of course its done by NE then its clearly breaking the rules? I see why you have trouble interrupting what I've said/

I never said it would be only bad if NE did it.

Originally Posted by MR NFLFAN

Tell me as a fan are you more concerned with honest football games or just who gets caught?

I've always been concerned with honesty not the teams/ people that cheat. Just as in baseball I only care that the playing field is level and people who don't deserve to succeed, by cheating or just being all around bad people, do not get to do so. Here I added a few more for you.

[MR NFLFAN]

Originally Posted by unluckyluciano

For taping signals at the jets game yes they have been punished. I am refering to their possible punishment at whatever comes out the rest of this offseason. And either way regardless of if they have been punished or will be punished you can not, but still will try I'm sure, to justify their actions by saying everyone else does it. And news flash you don't know me or about "my hatred". So you should try another route that does not include you attacking my motives that you think you know about. Thanks.


I never said it would be only bad if NE did it.


I've always been concerned with honesty not the teams/ people that cheat. Just as in baseball I only care that the playing field is level and people who don't deserve to succeed, by cheating or just being all around bad people, do not get to do so. Here I added a few more for you.

I don't think the Pats should be let off without punishment. If the commisioner finds more proof then there should be more punishment. I'm talking about proof not just accusations.

I don't think the pats are innocent in breaking a league rule of using video tape to steal signals.

I don't believe every team has cheated.

I'm positive other teams have cheated in the past.

I'm more concerned with all games being played on a level playing field than who was caught or admitted to cheating in the past.

I'm concerned that the league hasn't taken approiate steps now or in the past to assure us of honesty in the NFL.

And lastly I think for the league to set up proper policies and to be able to police those policies they must come clean themselves. They must install some kind of real time monitoring system of each and every team. It must be proactive and not just reactive in dealing with the methods used both past and present of gaining an unfair advantage. It must have a just, fair, clear cut and timely punishment policy of how these things are dealt with.


I still stand by my original statement.

Cheating in the NFL has been going on a long long time there is no question about it. Just because we as fans buried our heads in the sand for so long doesn't mean it wasn't happening.