Jets owner trying to buy Super Bowl?

[HaRdKoReXXX]

Originally Posted by Jetsfan0099

We aren't building through FA, we have many many holes. So the Jets decided that they can not fill every hole in the draft. So they decided that they will go out and spend for once, remember the Jets are known for being Cheap. When do we ever have a spending spree in FA?? Tannenbaum said when he became the GM, that he wants to build the team through the draft. He also said that he wants to use FA to fill as many holes as possible so we can take the Best available player in the draft. So we are not locked to have to take anyone for a need. Since Tannenbaum and Mangini took over, they spent 2 seasons signing cheap no name guys and they ended up being horrible and getting released. Our drafts have been gold under Tannenbaum and Mangini, but the FA period has stunk. But they saved up money for this. They believe signing a vet like Faneca can help Mangold and Ferguson develop more, and Woody they believe can be a good RT, they watched him play RT last year and were impressed. There are no NT in the draft, well any dominant ones, so making a move for Jenkins was smart. They also think Calvin Pace is a complete LB, that he is very talented and athletic, can drop into coverage and rush the passer. Remember Bill Parcells wanted him too, but Pace happened to like the direction that the Jets were going more, and couldn't refuse the deal.

Better roll down the window, the homerism is gettin pretty deep in here.

Let's read between the lines bud, your teams Coach/GM are on the hot seat. They **** the bed last year after making the playoffs the previous year and know the fans will call for their head if it happens again.

[Jetsfan0099]

Originally Posted by HaRdKoReXXX

Better roll down the window, the homerism is gettin pretty deep in here.

Let's read between the lines bud, your teams Coach/GM are on the hot seat. They **** the bed last year after making the playoffs the previous year and know the fans will call for their head if it happens again.

The reason they were bad last year was because of losing Kendall at LG, having practice squad type talent out there, having some injuries, not making the plays when it counts, not having the right personel for the defense. No homerism here, just stating the facts, lack of talent last year, no offensive weapons in the passing game besides Cotchery and Coles, and Coles was injured last year, our OL was horrible too. And that resulted in bad QB play. Mangini is the best thing to happen to the Jets in a long time though. He should not get fired.

[HaRdKoReXXX]

Originally Posted by Jetsfan0099

The reason they were bad last year was because of losing Kendall at LG, having practice squad type talent out there, having some injuries, not making the plays when it counts, not having the right personel for the defense. No homerism here, just stating the facts, lack of talent last year, no offensive weapons in the passing game besides Cotchery and Coles, and Coles was injured last year, our OL was horrible too. And that resulted in bad QB play. Mangini is the best thing to happen to the Jets in a long time though. He should not get fired.

A few of those reasons you listed sounded like coaching problems did they not? Every team has injuries, hell look at the Phins. There's no reason for Mangini and Co. to stock pile FA like they did if they werent a little concerned about their jobs IMO.

You said yourself the GM wants to build a team through the draft, so why spend so much on a few veteran guys and one horribly overpriced, unproven one?

[TheMageGandalf]

Originally Posted by Jetsfan0099

Remember Bill Parcells wanted him too, but Pace happened to like the direction that the Jets were going more, and couldn't refuse the deal.

I can't agree.

It was ALL about the cash.

This was his chance to get the BEST deal he'll problably ever get and he went to the highest bidder plain and simple.

I am sorry to say that we aren't close and the Jets (although slightly ahead) aren't close either. If anything the Fins have more going for them due to the fact that Parcells has a great track record.

It was about cash. For example, if today I was offered 10k more a year to go work for another co. I'd be in my boss' office in 2 sec. saying "see ya!"

You can easily imagine the samething going on especially when we are talking some BIG TIME guaranteed money not just working man's chump change.

[Jets81]

Originally Posted by HaRdKoReXXX

A few of those reasons you listed sounded like coaching problems did they not? Every team has injuries, hell look at the Phins. There's no reason for Mangini and Co. to stock pile FA like they did if they werent a little concerned about their jobs IMO.

You said yourself the GM wants to build a team through the draft, so why spend so much on a few veteran guys and one horribly overpriced, unproven one?

Because you can't fill every hole on a team through the draft. You say Pace is overpriced, but he hasn't even played a down as a Jet yet, so I'm not sure what information you're privy to that we're not. Whether or not his contract was overpriced can start to be determined after he's played a full season in green.

They stock piled FA's to fill obvious holes. We need guys on the OL, we went out and got 2 of the best available. We needed a DT, we went out and got one of the best available. We needed a pass rusher, we went out and got one of the best available. And again, as has already been pointed out, the contracts are nowhere near as bad as some people are making them out to be, especially if these guys play at a high level next season.

Also, the Jets are building through the draft. The best players on the team are all draft picks. Rhodes, Harris, Revis, Washington, Ferguson, Mangold, Cotchery, etc. The core of the team is being built through the draft and were doing what every team does in the offseason, tries to fill holes with the best available players...tries to improve their team.

[Jets81]

Originally Posted by TheMageGandalf

I can't agree.

It was ALL about the cash.

This was his chance to get the BEST deal he'll problably ever get and he went to the highest bidder plain and simple.

I am sorry to say that we aren't close and the Jets (although slightly ahead) aren't close either. If anything the Fins have more going for them due to the fact that Parcells has a great track record.

It was about cash. For example, if today I was offered 10k more a year to go work for another co. I'd be in my boss' office in 2 sec. saying "see ya!"

You can easily imagine the samething going on especially when we are talking some BIG TIME guaranteed money not just working man's chump change.

Parcels hasn't brought a Super Bowl to any of the last 3 teams he coached for. While he brought them all back to respectability, he didn't finish the job...and that was while he was actually coaching. This is uncommon ground for him. He's in the background now, and there's no guarantee that he'll have the same kind of success that he's had in the past in this new role.

As for Pace, the Phins wanted him but the Jets wanted him more. It's that simple.

[Jetsfan0099]

Originally Posted by HaRdKoReXXX

A few of those reasons you listed sounded like coaching problems did they not? Every team has injuries, hell look at the Phins. There's no reason for Mangini and Co. to stock pile FA like they did if they werent a little concerned about their jobs IMO.

You said yourself the GM wants to build a team through the draft, so why spend so much on a few veteran guys and one horribly overpriced, unproven one?

No Tannenbaum just learned from his mistake, he misjudged the talent level of the team last year, he admitted to that. So he brought some real talent.

[nyjunc]

Originally Posted by HaRdKoReXXX

Better roll down the window, the homerism is gettin pretty deep in here.

Let's read between the lines bud, your teams Coach/GM are on the hot seat. They **** the bed last year after making the playoffs the previous year and know the fans will call for their head if it happens again.

We NEVER sign high priced FAs! We have built through the draft and will continue to do so. As of today(before the draft) out of 24 starters(11 on O and D plus the K and P) 15 are original Jets. That's 68% of our starters. As of today Miami has 12 original dolphins, 50% of your starters so please stop this notion that we are building through FA. We have been building a solid core and are adding pieces around them.

Originally Posted by TheMageGandalf

I can't agree.

It was ALL about the cash.

This was his chance to get the BEST deal he'll problably ever get and he went to the highest bidder plain and simple.

I am sorry to say that we aren't close and the Jets (although slightly ahead) aren't close either. If anything the Fins have more going for them due to the fact that Parcells has a great track record.

It was about cash. For example, if today I was offered 10k more a year to go work for another co. I'd be in my boss' office in 2 sec. saying "see ya!"

You can easily imagine the samething going on especially when we are talking some BIG TIME guaranteed money not just working man's chump change.

So you think an extra $2-3 mil made the difference? If Pace thought Miami was a better situation he would have taken the $20 mil in guaranteed money rather than the $12.5 w/ the Jets w/ an '09 roster bonus to get it up to $23 mil.

Parcells DESPERATELY wanted Pace and lost out on him.

Originally Posted by Jets81

Parcels hasn't brought a Super Bowl to any of the last 3 teams he coached for. While he brought them all back to respectability, he didn't finish the job...and that was while he was actually coaching. This is uncommon ground for him. He's in the background now, and there's no guarantee that he'll have the same kind of success that he's had in the past in this new role.

As for Pace, the Phins wanted him but the Jets wanted him more. It's that simple.

A major reason he didn't win was b/c of his poor moves as a GM. Meggett and Byars cost us a SB, He wasted time w/ Vinny and Bledsoe in Dallas, in NE they stripped him of his GM duties then made a SB run and a big key to that run was Terry Glenn who Parcells didn't want to draft.

[HaRdKoReXXX]

Originally Posted by Jets81

Because you can't fill every hole on a team through the draft. You say Pace is overpriced, but he hasn't even played a down as a Jet yet, so I'm not sure what information you're privy to that we're not. Whether or not his contract was overpriced can start to be determined after he's played a full season in green.

They stock piled FA's to fill obvious holes. We need guys on the OL, we went out and got 2 of the best available. We needed a DT, we went out and got one of the best available. We needed a pass rusher, we went out and got one of the best available. And again, as has already been pointed out, the contracts are nowhere near as bad as some people are making them out to be, especially if these guys play at a high level next season.

Also, the Jets are building through the draft. The best players on the team are all draft picks. Rhodes, Harris, Revis, Washington, Ferguson, Mangold, Cotchery, etc. The core of the team is being built through the draft and were doing what every team does in the offseason, tries to fill holes with the best available players...tries to improve their team.

You just proved my point. The guy got Joey Porter money and what has he accomplished in the NFL thus far? Thats what Im basing it on. Your team paid him on potential, not a good idea unless its a rookie you've drafted IMO.

You know as well as I do If the shoe were on the other foot you and your cronies would be yapping up the fact we spent that much on a no name guy. I personally was opposed to us signing him for that much. GL with that contract.

[HaRdKoReXXX]

Originally Posted by nyjunc

We NEVER sign high priced FAs! We have built through the draft and will continue to do so.

If you say so pal. Dont be shocked if Jersey B has a new GM within the next couple years.

[Jets81]

Originally Posted by HaRdKoReXXX

You just proved my point. The guy got Joey Porter money and what has he accomplished in the NFL thus far? Thats what Im basing it on. Your team paid him on potential, not a good idea unless its a rookie you've drafted IMO.

You know as well as I do If the shoe were on the other foot you and your cronies would be yapping up the fact we spent that much on a no name guy. I personally was opposed to us signing him for that much. GL with that contract.

I proved your point by stating that the Jets went after the best available FA talent? Again, you can judge the contract size if you want, but as none of these players have played for the Jets yet, you can't say they're overpriced and be correct.

FWIW, Pace had a better year then Porter did last season, he's younger then Porter, and he looks like he's always wearing a Halloween mask. Beat that.

[Jets81]

Originally Posted by HaRdKoReXXX

If you say so pal. Dont be shocked if Jersey B has a new GM within the next couple years.

He's right, the Jets don't spend in FA very often and they are building through the draft. Keep acting like you know better though, it's amusing.

[HaRdKoReXXX]

Originally Posted by Jets81

He's right, the Jets don't spend in FA very often and they are building through the draft. Keep acting like you know better though, it's amusing.

You're right, I guess over 100 mill in guaranteed money isn't "that often". The only thing thats going to be amusing is when the Jets pull a repeat of last season after spending all that loot.

Too bad there weren't any QB's on the market for you guys to throw 25 mill in guaranteed money at. I dont care what any of you Jet fans think, you guys are about as bad off as us in that area.

[Jets81]

Originally Posted by HaRdKoReXXX

You're right, I guess over 100 mill in guaranteed money isn't "that often". The only thing thats going to be amusing is when the Jets pull a repeat of last season after spending all that loot.

Too bad there weren't any QB's on the market for you guys to throw 25 mill in guaranteed money at. I dont care what any of you Jet fans think, you guys are about as bad off as us in that area.

I'm trying to figure out your logic here. The Jets have been on a spending spree this offseason. When was the last time you can remember the Jets going on a spending spree like this? To me, the Redskins spend big in free agency "often". IE, they do it what seems like at least every other year. Maybe you could clarify your understanding of "often".

There were QB's on the market but they all sucked. You should know, your team picked one up and he probably has a pretty good shot at starting next season.

[nyjunc]

Originally Posted by HaRdKoReXXX

You just proved my point. The guy got Joey Porter money and what has he accomplished in the NFL thus far? Thats what Im basing it on. Your team paid him on potential, not a good idea unless its a rookie you've drafted IMO.

You know as well as I do If the shoe were on the other foot you and your cronies would be yapping up the fact we spent that much on a no name guy. I personally was opposed to us signing him for that much. GL with that contract.

Jorey ZPorter didn't deserve Joey porter money, the dolphins paid for a name while the Jets paid for potential. At least pace's career APPEARS on the upswing. The same couldn't be said for Porter a year ago.

You know as well as I do if you guys got Pace for the $20 mil guaranteed you offered him you'd be telling everyone what a great deal it was. The difference is we are not saying it was a great deal, we are happy we got him but obviously he was overpaid. We have plenty of cap room, all that matters going forward is if he produces. if he does it will look like a gfreat deal but if not it could look really bad.

Originally Posted by HaRdKoReXXX

If you say so pal. Dont be shocked if Jersey B has a new GM within the next couple years.

It's not if I say so, I have already proven it. We have a higher # of original Jets starting compared to you guys and compared to most teams around the league. We have built through the draft, we are just sdding some pieces.

Originally Posted by HaRdKoReXXX

You're right, I guess over 100 mill in guaranteed money isn't "that often". The only thing thats going to be amusing is when the Jets pull a repeat of last season after spending all that loot.

Too bad there weren't any QB's on the market for you guys to throw 25 mill in guaranteed money at. I dont care what any of you Jet fans think, you guys are about as bad off as us in that area.

When did we spend over $100 mil guaranteed? We spent $21 on faneca, $12.5 on Pace, $11.2 on Woody and $9.5 on Jenkins. That's $54.2 mil which is a littel different from $100 mil, right?(I am not sure what Richardson and Chatman got but it wasn't a significant amount)

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