New Feud In The Afc East?

[BuffaloSoldier2]

Originally Posted by Jets81

I think you're crazy if you honestly think we'll be looking up at the Bills even this coming season. They got some bounces last season and ended up at 7-9. I'd pencil them in for 8 wins max next season.

Got some bounces? What about losing 2 games they were winning the entire 60 min (Broncos, Cowboys)? What about Everett and 20 guys on IR (about 5 starters)? Those are bounces???

I'll bet you whatever you want on this upcoming season... you in???

[nyjunc]

Originally Posted by Aqua4Ever04

The offense kept them on the field all game. They were terrific early in seasons before they were completely drained.

They were terific early in seasons b/c their wasn't any pressure, as the games got bigger they played worse. Plenty of top D's had O's as bad or worse than those Miami O's yet they didn't wear down.

Originally Posted by Aqua4Ever04

And the Jets were 4-12 because the ball didn't bounce their way? How are you so sure that the Jets will automatically leap frog a team that was much better then them last year?

I wouldn't say they were MUCH better than us, NE was much better Buf was just better. Buf was 7-9 and we were 4-12 and both games we played were decided late in the game.

Originally Posted by BuffaloSoldier2

Got some bounces? What about losing 2 games they were winning the entire 60 min (Broncos, Cowboys)? What about Everett and 20 guys on IR (about 5 starters)? Those are bounces???

I'll bet you whatever you want on this upcoming season... you in???

Be careful, we've seen this movie over and over before w/ Buf. They are near .500 one year then the fans start thinking playuoffs then they fall on their faces the following year.

We didn't stink b/c of bad bounces last year BUT we lost alot of very close games including 2 to Buffalo, to NYG, at NE, Philly, Wash, Bal, Ten, Cle, Cincy.

[LtDan]

Originally Posted by BuffaloSoldier2

Got some bounces? What about losing 2 games they were winning the entire 60 min (Broncos, Cowboys)? What about Everett and 20 guys on IR (about 5 starters)? Those are bounces???

I'll bet you whatever you want on this upcoming season... you in???

20 guys.... That number goes up everytime I turn around. I know it was a lot but not 20

[Mike13]

Dolphins vs Jets is a new feud?
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[Brassmonki14120]

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[Aqua4Ever04]

Originally Posted by nyjunc

They were terific early in seasons b/c their wasn't any pressure, as the games got bigger they played worse. Plenty of top D's had O's as bad or worse than those Miami O's yet they didn't wear down.

So you think it was the pressure and not the endless 3 and outs from the offense?

Which teams? Perhaps you aren't familiar with the Wannstedt plan, 2 yards and a could of dust, 2 yards and a cloud of dust, 3 yard hitch route, punt.

Originally Posted by nyjunc

I wouldn't say they were MUCH better than us, NE was much better Buf was just better. Buf was 7-9 and we were 4-12 and both games we played were decided late in the game.

3 games is a lot in football. The Bills nearly doubled the win total of the Jets and just because they played tight in ball games doesn't mean a lot. Good teams win games, heck, the Dolphins lost 6 games by 3 points, does that mean they were nearly as good as the Bills because they just as easily could've been 7-9?

[nyjunc]

Originally Posted by Aqua4Ever04

So you think it was the pressure and not the endless 3 and outs from the offense?

Which teams? Perhaps you aren't familiar with the Wannstedt plan, 2 yards and a could of dust, 2 yards and a cloud of dust, 3 yard hitch route, punt.



3 games is a lot in football. The Bills nearly doubled the win total of the Jets and just because they played tight in ball games doesn't mean a lot. Good teams win games, heck, the Dolphins lost 6 games by 3 points, does that mean they were nearly as good as the Bills because they just as easily could've been 7-9?

The Ravnes were 14th in points scored in 2000, the dolphins were no lower than 16th from '96-'02 and as high as 8 in '01. Your offenses weren't great but they weren't awful either. A truly great D would have AT LEAST kept you in some of those playoff games. A big time D doesn't lose 38-3, 62-7 or 27-0 in the span of 3 years.

7 is almost double 4 but there wasn't alot of difference from Buf to us except they executed a little better late in games.

Some background on Buf this decade, they went 8-8 in '02 then won 6 in '03 then 9 in '04 then 5,7 & 7. They have never been able to get over the hump. After our playoff year in '01 we won the div in '02 then won 6, 10, 4, 10 and 4. We have proven we can be a playoff team. We have bad years in btw but we bounce back.

[kingjust30]

i think the jets are overrated and i feel that they made a bunch of desperate moves in the offseason.any time a 4-12 team spends 80 million on players over 30 it screams desperate. they sign faneca and the other ol who are both over 30 and they over paid them both. than they sign this guy pace woh had 6 good games in 6 yeats and they pay him a ton of money. im sorry guys but the jets are really desperate and they just shelled out a ton of money. and they arent gonna be good . u never spend a ton of money on guys over 30 unless u have a legitimate shot 2 win the superbowl and the jets are far away from that. i rather have no qb and have the exictment of finding one than being stuck with chad or kelly.im guessing the jets will winn 7 games this year and is wasnt worth spending 80 million in over rated players to win 3 more games

[nyjunc]

Desperate? absolutely, the Jets are desperate to get better and they turned a major weakness on the OL into a major strength and turend a weakness in the middle of the Dl into a strength. We have some big time playmakers on D and w/ a big body in the middle helping to stuff the run this D is going to be very fun to watch.

[Aqua4Ever04]

Originally Posted by nyjunc

The Ravnes were 14th in points scored in 2000, the dolphins were no lower than 16th from '96-'02 and as high as 8 in '01. Your offenses weren't great but they weren't awful either. A truly great D would have AT LEAST kept you in some of those playoff games. A big time D doesn't lose 38-3, 62-7 or 27-0 in the span of 3 years.

7 is almost double 4 but there wasn't alot of difference from Buf to us except they executed a little better late in games.

Some background on Buf this decade, they went 8-8 in '02 then won 6 in '03 then 9 in '04 then 5,7 & 7. They have never been able to get over the hump. After our playoff year in '01 we won the div in '02 then won 6, 10, 4, 10 and 4. We have proven we can be a playoff team. We have bad years in btw but we bounce back.

How about the defense that allowed 17 points vs. the Bills in '98 the Seahawks in '99, and the offensive juggernaut Indianapolis in 2000? Yeah, we had some bad games, but the defense played well enough to win more often then not. In 2000 Lamar Smith had 40 carries in the wildcard round. In the divisional game, he was completely ineffective meaning we had to rely on Jay Fiedler's arm; I don't like our chances there.

I understand that the Bills can't get over the proverbial hump, but it's not like those teams have any effect on the 2008 Bills. It's a young, fast team that is strong up front (the way to build a team.) That's why the Bills worry me and the Jets don't; because they have no one on offense that strikes fear in the defense, and they're commiting cap suicide for the future.

[nyjunc]

Originally Posted by Aqua4Ever04

How about the defense that allowed 17 points vs. the Bills in '98 the Seahawks in '99, and the offensive juggernaut Indianapolis in 2000? Yeah, we had some bad games, but the defense played well enough to win more often then not. In 2000 Lamar Smith had 40 carries in the wildcard round. In the divisional game, he was completely ineffective meaning we had to rely on Jay Fiedler's arm; I don't like our chances there.

I understand that the Bills can't get over the proverbial hump, but it's not like those teams have any effect on the 2008 Bills. It's a young, fast team that is strong up front (the way to build a team.) That's why the Bills worry me and the Jets don't; because they have no one on offense that strikes fear in the defense, and they're commiting cap suicide for the future.

those were medicore WC teams, when the competition stepped up you got humiliated. Buf only scored 17 against you but were held to 16 a year later at Tennessee. Indy's offensive juggernaut led them to an AVERAGE of 11 PPG from '99-'02 in the playoffs. They were a different O in postseason.

and the Seahawks? They were terrible, they lost 6 of 7 games to end '99 and got in b/c the AFC west stunk. The week before you held them to 17 the jets held them to 9.

We don't have playmakers on O? I guess you haven't watched much of Leon Washingtonm, Cotchery and Coles as they have killed you guys through the years and thomas Jones should be alot more effective w/ a good OL. We have better starting WRs, we have a better combo of RBs, we have a better OL. The question mark for both teams is QB but at least Chad has done it before and on D we have David Harris who was excellent as a rookie, a shut down corner in Revis, a top Safety in Rhodes and now we have some help in the middle up front and another pass rusher. We are solid just about everywhere now.

[Jets81]

Originally Posted by Aqua4Ever04

And the Jets were 4-12 because the ball didn't bounce their way? How are you so sure that the Jets will automatically leap frog a team that was much better then them last year?

Yes. They had a washed up QB that made a lot of poor decisions last season and he's not likely to see the field next season unless there's an injury. The Bills were not "much better" then the Jets last season. Not even close to much better. They barely beat the Jets twice and still only won 7 games. 4 wins is terrible, 7 wins is pretty bad.

[Aqua4Ever04]

Originally Posted by nyjunc

those were medicore WC teams, when the competition stepped up you got humiliated. Buf only scored 17 against you but were held to 16 a year later at Tennessee. Indy's offensive juggernaut led them to an AVERAGE of 11 PPG from '99-'02 in the playoffs. They were a different O in postseason.

and the Seahawks? They were terrible, they lost 6 of 7 games to end '99 and got in b/c the AFC west stunk. The week before you held them to 17 the jets held them to 9.

We don't have playmakers on O? I guess you haven't watched much of Leon Washingtonm, Cotchery and Coles as they have killed you guys through the years and thomas Jones should be alot more effective w/ a good OL. We have better starting WRs, we have a better combo of RBs, we have a better OL. The question mark for both teams is QB but at least Chad has done it before and on D we have David Harris who was excellent as a rookie, a shut down corner in Revis, a top Safety in Rhodes and now we have some help in the middle up front and another pass rusher. We are solid just about everywhere now.

Leon Washington scares me in the return game, but not much else. Yeah he had that huge reception on Christmas in 2006, but his YPC is nothing to write home about. Lavernous Coles is a good receiver, I like him, but there is a contract dispute bubbling there and it should be interesting to see how it plays out. Jericho Cotchery is okay, but not someone you game plan for and Thomas Jones looked lost last year. Running has a lot to do with offensive line, but his vision and 2nd gear went out the window in 2007.

I'll take our runningbacks over the Jets any day, no question. Ronnie Brown would be a better runner then Jones if he were blind, Lorenzo Booker and Washington sort of cancel each other out, and if Ricky Williams ever figures it out, he could still be very good.

Defense is where the Jets are upgrading. Revis is outstanding but that hold out means he is likely gone after his contract is up. The Jets need some help upstair, they have no business sense. $22 million guaranteed to Calvin Pace after giving a huge deal to Faneca? You guys had better hope Kris Jenkins health problems don't come up again or else who will play DT. I guess the part I worry the most about is your secondary. Revis and Rhodes are studs.

[Jets81]

Originally Posted by BuffaloSoldier2

Got some bounces? What about losing 2 games they were winning the entire 60 min (Broncos, Cowboys)? What about Everett and 20 guys on IR (about 5 starters)? Those are bounces???

I'll bet you whatever you want on this upcoming season... you in???

Come on man, your team had almost the worst offensive and defensive rankings in the league last season, and that was with a really talented RB in your backfield. Don't talk to me about games they were winning and ended up losing, the Jets excelled at that last season.

Mind blowing how cocky people can get coming of a 7-9 failure of a season.

[Aqua4Ever04]

Originally Posted by Jets81

Yes. They had a washed up QB that made a lot of poor decisions last season and he's not likely to see the field next season unless there's an injury. The Bills were not "much better" then the Jets last season. Not even close to much better. They barely beat the Jets twice and still only won 7 games. 4 wins is terrible, 7 wins is pretty bad.

Were you one of the fans cheering as Chad hobbled off the field? That was dispicable.

7 wins is 2 wins away from being in the playoffs. 4 wins is 2 losses from being the #1 pick (except this year.) It's a huge differnece, I don't care if you "almost" win games, that doens't mean anything. The Bills were thinking playoffs in December last year, the Jets were thinking draft.