Spygate Question for Fans of Teams Other than New England

[MattM]

I'm trying to conduct a poll of sorts (informal though it is). What would your reaction be if (a) Walsh comes forward and has a copy of the Rams SB walkthrough and (b) the Pats claim for whatever reason that Walsh was acting alone and they had nothing to do with it and (c) the Commissioner does not punish the Pats or punishes them leniently. Would this make you angry or would you abide by the Commissioner's decision? Thoughts?

[MR NFLFAN]

I don't believe we'll ever hear from Walsh. If we were going to I think we already would have.

[Jets81]

Originally Posted by MattM

I'm trying to conduct a poll of sorts (informal though it is). What would your reaction be if (a) Walsh comes forward and has a copy of the Rams SB walkthrough and (b) the Pats claim for whatever reason that Walsh was acting alone and they had nothing to do with it and (c) the Commissioner does not punish the Pats or punishes them leniently. Would this make you angry or would you abide by the Commissioner's decision? Thoughts?

A) It would confirm what we already knew, the Pats cheated. Rams fans will probably be extremely agitated.

B) They'll have to prove it.

C) The Pats have already been punished, I don't see a need for anything further. Rams fans may disagree. If the commissioner sees fit to further punishment I certainly wouldn't argue with him.

[SpurzN703]

Well they won't take the championships away from the Pats and that's fine. I don't think it's that drastic a thing. But I do believe they should be penalized even more, maybe sent to Antarctica for a few years.

[satz]

Originally Posted by Jets81

B) They'll have to prove it.

Who does they refer to?. what if he just gets a video - alot of players had a handy cam even in this SB sessions. so how do you know its shot by him?.

I do not think their is a video for few pts
1)He never said he had a video
2)Tomase the reporter who published the rumour of a taping from a unknown source has recanted the story 2 weeks after the first story.He never mentioned walsh name.
3)
a)In MA and most places if a audio taping is producted as evidence and one of the party[patriots] does not acknowledge the presence of such a tape it can be used to disprove this theory and revealed.
b)Scott piolli gone public saying he was taped with out his knowlegde by walsh so these tapes can never be exposed in public as the DA will start a federal case against walsh.
4)Just shpwing the tape on youtube or anyother source would have been enough but in case of a audio case he is going to jail.the NFL cannot protect him.

You are saying their is no way this guy can put this tape to reporter or youtube without being traced?

[Jets81]

Originally Posted by satz

Who does they refer to?. what if he just gets a video - alot of players had a handy cam even in this SB sessions. so how do you know its shot by him?.

I do not think their is a video for few pts
1)He never said he had a video
2)Tomase the reporter who published the rumour of a taping from a unknown source has recanted the story 2 weeks after the first story.He never mentioned walsh name.
3)
a)In MA and most places if a audio taping is producted as evidence and one of the party[patriots] does not acknowledge the presence of such a tape it can be used to disprove this theory and revealed.
b)Scott piolli gone public saying he was taped with out his knowlegde by walsh so these tapes can never be exposed in public as the DA will start a federal case against walsh.
4)Just shpwing the tape on youtube or anyother source would have been enough but in case of a audio case he is going to jail.the NFL cannot protect him.

You are saying their is no way this guy can put this tape to reporter or youtube without being traced?

Reread the original posters questions, then reread my answers. Thats what I'm saying.

[MattM]

Originally Posted by satz

Who does they refer to?. what if he just gets a video - alot of players had a handy cam even in this SB sessions. so how do you know its shot by him?.

I do not think their is a video for few pts
1)He never said he had a video
2)Tomase the reporter who published the rumour of a taping from a unknown source has recanted the story 2 weeks after the first story.He never mentioned walsh name.
3)
a)In MA and most places if a audio taping is producted as evidence and one of the party[patriots] does not acknowledge the presence of such a tape it can be used to disprove this theory and revealed.
b)Scott piolli gone public saying he was taped with out his knowlegde by walsh so these tapes can never be exposed in public as the DA will start a federal case against walsh.
4)Just shpwing the tape on youtube or anyother source would have been enough but in case of a audio case he is going to jail.the NFL cannot protect him.

You are saying their is no way this guy can put this tape to reporter or youtube without being traced?

I've never heard the Tomase recanting point--link please?

[Mike13]

(a) Walsh comes forward and has a copy of the Rams SB walkthrough and (b) the Pats claim for whatever reason that Walsh was acting alone and they had nothing to do with it and (c) the Commissioner does not punish the Pats or punishes them leniently. Would this make you angry or would you abide by the Commissioner's decision? Thoughts?

If he does produce a tape or any other kind of evidence the the Patriots have to be punished severely by Goodell, he would take a lot of heat if he punished them softly.

[TomBradyWoot]

I'm a New England fan but I'll still kind of answer the questions. I agree with what Jets81 said as far as the Patriots have already been punished, and pretty severely. Goodell did this after Week 1 for all he knew the Pats could've finished 10-6 and selected in the early 20s. As is, losing pick 31 is quite harsh, especially with a draft deep in CBs and having a huge need there, and needing a LB (as well as being deep in TE and having a need there too but that's another issue). Losing a first round pick is just huge. Granted, they have #7 but that was due to a trade from the previous draft, taking that away would null the trade. However, I do believe Belichick will be suspended for one year (which would likely end his career) if Goodell believes the Rams walkthrough tape (if it does exist, which I have serious doubts with) was done with Belichick's consent and/or knowledge. After that, probably nothing else to the organization. The organization was already punished for the violations, it's all on Belichick now, as he signed the agreement stating what he told Goodell was all that he knew and had (although we don't even know what was said to the commissioner). I understand many people here wanted the commissioner to give the Pats the death penalty and take away all their draft picks for years and ban Belichick for life and take away the championships but I feel his punishment was fair.

[FinFrenzy]

Whatever the punishment may be, it will not include stripping of championships or forfeiting of previously played games.

The sheer magnitude of sports wagering would be severly hit, what happens when people show up for money they lost now that they won? It's not like people that won would show back up and write a check.

IMHO we will never see a forfeit of a previously played game, unless it was during the game.

[HaRdKoReXXX]

Originally Posted by SpurzN703

Well they won't take the championships away from the Pats and that's fine. I don't think it's that drastic a thing. But I do believe they should be penalized even more, maybe sent to Antarctica for a few years.

Or at least South Jersey

[TomBradyWoot]

Is Matt the bitter Buffalo Bills fan ever going to talk football or about his Bills, or just keep beating the spygate horse to death. I mean really, you'd think spygate caused the Bills to lose 4 straight Super Bowls or something.

[satz]

Originally Posted by MattM

I've never heard the Tomase recanting point--link please?

Old boston hearld articles are archived and you have to pay to view to see that link.

I tryed looking for in their site but is asking me for $$

[nephinsfan]

ever notice that only pats fans think that A) there is no tape and B) the punishment was harsh.

[MLTKRT]

Originally Posted by TomBradyWoot

Is Matt the bitter Buffalo Bills fan ever going to talk football or about his Bills, or just keep beating the spygate horse to death. I mean really, you'd think spygate caused the Bills to lose 4 straight Super Bowls or something.

Until we hear from Walsh, the Spygate horse will not die.

17-0 > 18-1