Who will finish last in the AFC East

[BwanaZulia]

Originally Posted by SpurzN703

Nowhere*

(* but the Playoffs)

BZ

[SpurzN703]

Originally Posted by BwanaZulia

The problem is, he is right.

The Jets have owned the Dolphins in recent history.

The Dolphins did go 1-15 last year.

The Dolphins haven't made the playoffs in 5-6 years.

All true.

BZ

Of course, no one can deny that. Point is though, since the Phins suck, the Jets owning them really is no crowning achievement, is it?

[SpurzN703]

Originally Posted by BwanaZulia

(* but the Playoffs)

BZ

Alright so the most you can say, as a Jets fan, is that you've at least gotten that far. True.

Of course the point of playing in the NFL is to win the SB, which you haven't done in 40 years and what the Phins haven't done in over 35.

[nyjunc]

Originally Posted by SpurzN703

Of course, no one can deny that. Point is though, since the Phins suck, the Jets owning them really is no crowning achievement, is it?

You guys have sucked since 2004, we went 9-3 against you from '98-'03 when you had good teams.

[John from Hemet]

Originally Posted by BuffaloSoldier2

You stated that you have seen the Bills be a trendy pick in other seasons only to not make playoffs. I said that previous seasons have no impact on the current on. Or else Dutin Keller is gonna be a "stud" like Kyle Brady and Johnnie Mitchell. Clear enough?



Completely wrong. The Bills were 7-6 and playing a game against a 8-5 Browns team. You really mean to tell me that a 8-6 team has no shot at the playoffs. Because if you are, you're flat out wrong.

And the schedule is what it is. Before the season, all Jets and Fin fans though they were better than the Bills. Also, the Ravens and Bengals were supposed to be much better than they were. You play to win the game. It's ins't college football where they rate your victories. As of right now, the Bills have a very easy schedule based on last year's results. Last year, they had one of the hardest. Last year's season means nothing.




Like I said, I'll bet anyone that the Bills finish 2nd in the division. You accept or not? It's pretty simple.

I want in on that action as well....the bills WILL finish 2nd in the division.

[John from Hemet]

Originally Posted by nyjunc

So last year when the Bills opened the checkbook that meant they didn't have faith in the young guys? We added nice pieces around our young core.

Poz was outplaying him b/c Harris wasn't playing alot early. Poz started 3 games, his #s would have prorated to 139 tackles, zero sacks, 0 PD, 0 FFs. Harris only started 9 games and had 127 tackles, 5 sacks, 3 PDs and 2 FFs. Now that we have settled that debate let's move on to the rest of the LBs. Kawika Mitchell is the definition of mediocrity. I think our LBs are better. Harris, Pace, Barton & Thomas are better than Mitchell, Poz and Crowell.

That debate is FAR from settled. Poz was playing early because Harris was not because Harris WASNT READY to play hearly while Poz was a starter right out the gate because he was NFL ready. You cant pro rate players that is stupid.

Mitchell is a player who played MLB earlier in his career moved to OLB and found his position. He was on a championship team and contributed to that Championship. To downplay him hurts your arguement. Crowell is solid but unspectacular. Between the 3 of them they are better then the jets LB's. Also.....we got hit big time with the injury bug last year and were forced to play guys who now take the backup roles but have expereince in Digeorgio and Ellison. We dont know what we have with our drafted LB yet.

[BwanaZulia]

Originally Posted by SpurzN703

Alright so the most you can say, as a Jets fan, is that you've at least gotten that far. True.

Of course the point of playing in the NFL is to win the SB, which you haven't done in 40 years and what the Phins haven't done in over 35.

Riddle me this. Can you win the Super Bowl WITHOUT getting to the playoffs?

BZ

[nyjunc]

Originally Posted by John from Hemet

That debate is FAR from settled. Poz was playing early because Harris was not because Harris WASNT READY to play hearly while Poz was a starter right out the gate because he was NFL ready. You cant pro rate players that is stupid.

Mitchell is a player who played MLB earlier in his career moved to OLB and found his position. He was on a championship team and contributed to that Championship. To downplay him hurts your arguement. Crowell is solid but unspectacular. Between the 3 of them they are better then the jets LB's. Also.....we got hit big time with the injury bug last year and were forced to play guys who now take the backup roles but have expereince in Digeorgio and Ellison. We dont know what we have with our drafted LB yet.

Harris was ready but he had Vilma starting in front of him.

Kawika Mitchell is a decent player, nothing more. Just b/c he was on Championship team(where he was probably the 10th or 11th most important defensive player) does not tell us much. That D thrived b/c of the pass rush of the front 4. It made life easier for the back 7 and he won't have that type of pass rush to cover up for his mistakes this year.

[John from Hemet]

Originally Posted by nyjunc

Harris was ready but he had Vilma starting in front of him.

Kawika Mitchell is a decent player, nothing more. Just b/c he was on Championship team(where he was probably the 10th or 11th most important defensive player) does not tell us much. That D thrived b/c of the pass rush of the front 4. It made life easier for the back 7 and he won't have that type of pass rush to cover up for his mistakes this year.

If Harris was this great player they would have moved linebackers around to get him on the field......Vilma could have moved outside to make room for Harris. You put your best players on the field.

Mitchell's importance in that pass rush should not be discounted.....he was all over Brady.

[ZachThomas76]

Pats 13-3
Bills 9-7
Jets 6-10
Phins 5-11

[Fin_Frenzy_84]

i think we will be good if we can take the majority of our divisional games

[DaBills4life]

Originally Posted by nyjunc

Harris was ready but he had Vilma starting in front of him.

Kawika Mitchell is a decent player, nothing more. Just b/c he was on Championship team(where he was probably the 10th or 11th most important defensive player) does not tell us much. That D thrived b/c of the pass rush of the front 4. It made life easier for the back 7 and he won't have that type of pass rush to cover up for his mistakes this year.

Mitchell is a much better OLB then he is a MLB. Even though he had solid #'s in KC, he never really made plays. Last year as OLB he made plays and was more comfortable.

He will be playing the same position in Buffalo. He has pro bowlers Schobel and Stroud on his side. I think he will be ok.

[feelthepain]

Originally Posted by BuffaloSoldier2

Previous seasons have absolutely nothing to do with this upcoming season. Because if they did, you just wasted another 1st round pick on a TE.

So this is the excuse for the Jets? You're better then the Dolphins cause we were 1-15 and the Bills were 7-9, but when talking to Jet fans it's not about last year. Is there ever a case someone is better then the Bills?? EVER???? Lats year we had a better defense and better offense we also scored more points then the Bills, yet the Bills are a playoff team this year and the Dolphins just suck. The Jets are one year removed form the playoffs add a ton of talent yet they have no cahnce of beating the Bills or making the playoffs....cause a Bill fan says so. Amazing how the Bills have done the least in the division over the last 10 years, yet they are the only team outside the Pats to be playoff worthy. WHATEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BuffaloSoldier2]

Originally Posted by feelthepain

So this is the excuse for the Jets? You're better then the Dolphins cause we were 1-15 and the Bills were 7-9, but when talking to Jet fans it's not about last year. Is there ever a case someone is better then the Bills?? EVER???? Lats year we had a better defense and better offense we also scored more points then the Bills, yet the Bills are a playoff team this year and the Dolphins just suck. The Jets are one year removed form the playoffs add a ton of talent yet they have no cahnce of beating the Bills or making the playoffs....cause a Bill fan says so. Amazing how the Bills have done the least in the division over the last 10 years, yet they are the only team outside the Pats to be playoff worthy. WHATEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think everyone gets that you don't like the Bills. You say the same thing every time you talk about the Bills. You be better to converse with if you were at least somewhat objective.

If you go by stats to rank a team that's pretty silly. The Cards were a top 10 offense and defense in 2006. What that get them? Or the Eagles were a top 10 offense and defense last year but had to beat the Bills in the last game of the season to have one more win. Stats are for nerds. You're as good as your record is.

Here's some facts whether you chose to ignore them. The Bills were 7-9 with a banged up roster and one of the youngest teams in football. They have won 5 out of the last 6 against MIA. They added a pro bowl DT, a 1st round corner, a 6'6' receiver, and will be fully healthy again. There's a reason why Bills fan should be excited and selling over 55,000 season tickets.

The Fins were 1-15 last year and one of the worst teams in NFL history. This can't be argued. They have 2 QBs who have about 5 NFL starts under their belt. They lost their 2 best defensive players. I think they are going on the right path in rebuilding their team but is it really a stretch to not think they will have shot at a top 5 pick again? You might think I'm hating but it's the truth.

[nyjunc]

Originally Posted by John from Hemet

If Harris was this great player they would have moved linebackers around to get him on the field......Vilma could have moved outside to make room for Harris. You put your best players on the field.

Mitchell's importance in that pass rush should not be discounted.....he was all over Brady.

He was playing, he just wasn't starting and when he played he played alot better than Pozluzny.


Mitchell had it easy w/ the pass rushers the giants had and even w/ that huge advantage he had 1 sack in 2 games. The guys up front were applying the constant pressure that helped the Giants win. The giants would have won w/ or w/o Mitchell which is why he wasn't a priority to re-sign.