dilger or shockey????

dirtywhiteboy · 09-04-2002, 06:34 PM

i know this will get moved, but i need some of the ffl expertice you guys are hiding...who do you start? and why? please help!

R.Brown23 · 09-04-2002, 06:40 PM

Shockey even though he is banged up, a 80% Shockey is better than a 100% Dilger

dirtywhiteboy · 09-04-2002, 06:45 PM

thanks chambers! do you think he will be better than dilger even though dilger is in a gruden offense?

R.Brown23 · 09-04-2002, 06:48 PM

Yes, Shockey is more of a Tony Gonzalez type player, just bigger in size. He will catch a lot of balls with the Giants, and get a lot of looks from Kerry Collins. Dilger will be good too with the BUCS, but Shockey will fair better with the Giants. You have 2 of the top 10 TEs for your Fantasy League. Great picks!

dirtywhiteboy · 09-04-2002, 07:27 PM

i also have mcmichael!

thanks for the help sir!

ckparrothead · 09-05-2002, 12:51 AM

This is a tougher question than a lot will make of it. Dilger has the ability to catch like 50 balls in an offense that will feed him the ball. And all you guys say oh well Gruden doesn't use the TE...

Well quite frankly thats bs. He would love to throw to the TE more. He just had to deal with the piece of sh!t Rickey Dudley all his time in Oakland. And let me tell you Dudley is one of those Alonzo Mayes characters who has all the talent in the world but doesn't use it, gets injured, is lazy, has a bad attitude, and just does not produce on the field.

So in Tampa I'm personally penciling in Dilger for about 35-40 catches and 4-5 TDs with about 400 yards....as a very very very conservative figure. My gut feeling is more like 50 for 500 yards and 7 TDs. So its basically just a matter of how you feel Jeremy Shockey will do this year. Probably better to start Dilger at the end of the year after Shockey hits the rookie wall.

poornate · 09-05-2002, 12:59 AM

Rookie TE's usally don't do squat. I know that Shockey looked good in preseason(McMichael too!) but history votes against them doing really well in their 1st year. Look at the big names from last year at the TE position. Alge Crumpler did not post very good numbers and Todd Heap backed up Sharpe who is like a thousand years old. i would start Dilger. TE is usally not a make or break position on a fantasy team anyway. Look at who the teams are playing week to week and go with your gut. They are going to throw to Shockey a bunch so he could be the guy that bucks the trend of rookies starting slow at that position.

Flyin11 · 09-05-2002, 10:43 AM

Well, on the Giants website they are showing Dan Campbell #89 as the starting TE...so I don't know...if you play Shockey you might not get any points unless they stick him in after the start of the game...I went ahead and grabbed Campbell out of our FA pool after I saw this so I could maybe get some points. IF it turns out that they do start Shockey then it won't hurt me either way...cause I had McMichael and Jed Weaver for my TE's and McMichael is starting so I wouldn't get any points for Weaver anyways...but just letting you know what I saw on the Gaints' depth chart....

dirtywhiteboy · 09-05-2002, 02:29 PM

thanks guys! great info...i need all i can get being a rookie ff player!

iceblizzard69 · 09-05-2002, 04:20 PM

Shockey is starting. His backups will never even see time in 1 TE sets. Those depth charts are ****ed up.

Flyin11 · 09-05-2002, 09:34 PM

Unfortunately I just found that out - Should have known...Damn...Didn't hurt me either way being as I did have Weaver from us and he is just backing up McMichael...although they said on the Miami site on NFL.com that someone else was backing up McMichael now...No win situation for me

iceblizzard69 · 09-05-2002, 09:55 PM

We got Clark off waivers from Denver, Weaver was a waste of time when he started. Why don't you post that much anymore?

Flyin11 · 09-05-2002, 10:41 PM

Not much going on...Nothing to really post about and I have been busy with some racing stuff for my cousin who races in real life...and just the usual stuff that goes on day by day

iceblizzard69 · 09-06-2002, 07:32 PM

There is lots to talk about. I have probably posted more in the offseason than I do in the regular season. Then again, school sometimes gets in the way during the regular season.

Barbarian · 09-11-2002, 08:30 PM

DWB, is this the same guy from thenflforum? If it is... soryy about that Toomer advice man... if it makes you feel any better, I sat him as well and neither of my other WR's put up anywhere near as good numbers as Amani... my bad.

GO PHINZ!!!!!!!!!!!!
Barbarian

09-04-2002, 06:45 PM	#3
dirtywhiteboy top secret clown business Join Date: May 2002 Location: back of the gas station Age: 39 Posts: 519 Credits: 3,136 Thanks: 66 Thanked 17 Times in 10 Posts	thanks chambers! do you think he will be better than dilger even though dilger is in a gruden offense? __________________ For those who fought for it, FREEDOM has a flavor the protected will never know.

09-04-2002, 07:27 PM	#5
dirtywhiteboy top secret clown business Join Date: May 2002 Location: back of the gas station Age: 39 Posts: 519 Credits: 3,136 Thanks: 66 Thanked 17 Times in 10 Posts	i also have mcmichael! thanks for the help sir! __________________ For those who fought for it, FREEDOM has a flavor the protected will never know.

09-05-2002, 12:51 AM	#6
ckparrothead Premium Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 32,849 Credits: 59,161 Thanks: 16 Thanked 2,038 Times in 660 Posts FH Badges Total Awards: 1	This is a tougher question than a lot will make of it. Dilger has the ability to catch like 50 balls in an offense that will feed him the ball. And all you guys say oh well Gruden doesn't use the TE... Well quite frankly thats bs. He would love to throw to the TE more. He just had to deal with the piece of sh!t Rickey Dudley all his time in Oakland. And let me tell you Dudley is one of those Alonzo Mayes characters who has all the talent in the world but doesn't use it, gets injured, is lazy, has a bad attitude, and just does not produce on the field. So in Tampa I'm personally penciling in Dilger for about 35-40 catches and 4-5 TDs with about 400 yards....as a very very very conservative figure. My gut feeling is more like 50 for 500 yards and 7 TDs. So its basically just a matter of how you feel Jeremy Shockey will do this year. Probably better to start Dilger at the end of the year after Shockey hits the rookie wall. __________________ Good luck with the Skins, JT. You'll always be "Ozone" to me...

09-05-2002, 12:59 AM	#7
poornate Opinonated Observer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: northern virginia Age: 30 Posts: 4,052 Credits: 18,349 Thanks: 89 Thanked 326 Times in 218 Posts	Rookie TE's usally don't do squat. I know that Shockey looked good in preseason(McMichael too!) but history votes against them doing really well in their 1st year. Look at the big names from last year at the TE position. Alge Crumpler did not post very good numbers and Todd Heap backed up Sharpe who is like a thousand years old. i would start Dilger. TE is usally not a make or break position on a fantasy team anyway. Look at who the teams are playing week to week and go with your gut. They are going to throw to Shockey a bunch so he could be the guy that bucks the trend of rookies starting slow at that position. __________________ I'm afraid of the awful truth of how sweet that life can be........

09-05-2002, 02:29 PM	#9
dirtywhiteboy top secret clown business Join Date: May 2002 Location: back of the gas station Age: 39 Posts: 519 Credits: 3,136 Thanks: 66 Thanked 17 Times in 10 Posts	thanks guys! great info...i need all i can get being a rookie ff player! __________________ For those who fought for it, FREEDOM has a flavor the protected will never know.

09-04-2002, 06:40 PM	#2
R.Brown23 FinHeaven VIP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 3,597 Credits: 27 Thanks: 16 Thanked 48 Times in 13 Posts	Shockey even though he is banged up, a 80% Shockey is better than a 100% Dilger

09-04-2002, 06:48 PM	#4
R.Brown23 FinHeaven VIP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 3,597 Credits: 27 Thanks: 16 Thanked 48 Times in 13 Posts	Yes, Shockey is more of a Tony Gonzalez type player, just bigger in size. He will catch a lot of balls with the Giants, and get a lot of looks from Kerry Collins. Dilger will be good too with the BUCS, but Shockey will fair better with the Giants. You have 2 of the top 10 TEs for your Fantasy League. Great picks!

09-05-2002, 10:43 AM	#8
Flyin11 Mark Clayton Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: VA Age: 32 Posts: 777 Credits: 2,125 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well, on the Giants website they are showing Dan Campbell #89 as the starting TE...so I don't know...if you play Shockey you might not get any points unless they stick him in after the start of the game...I went ahead and grabbed Campbell out of our FA pool after I saw this so I could maybe get some points. IF it turns out that they do start Shockey then it won't hurt me either way...cause I had McMichael and Jed Weaver for my TE's and McMichael is starting so I wouldn't get any points for Weaver anyways...but just letting you know what I saw on the Gaints' depth chart.... __________________

09-05-2002, 04:20 PM	#10
iceblizzard69 FinHeaven Elite Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On an island Age: 21 Posts: 13,387 Credits: 1,000 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Shockey is starting. His backups will never even see time in 1 TE sets. Those depth charts are ****ed up.

09-05-2002, 09:34 PM	#11
Flyin11 Mark Clayton Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: VA Age: 32 Posts: 777 Credits: 2,125 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Unfortunately I just found that out - Should have known...Damn...Didn't hurt me either way being as I did have Weaver from us and he is just backing up McMichael...although they said on the Miami site on NFL.com that someone else was backing up McMichael now...No win situation for me __________________

09-05-2002, 09:55 PM	#12
iceblizzard69 FinHeaven Elite Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On an island Age: 21 Posts: 13,387 Credits: 1,000 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	We got Clark off waivers from Denver, Weaver was a waste of time when he started. Why don't you post that much anymore?

09-05-2002, 10:41 PM	#13
Flyin11 Mark Clayton Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: VA Age: 32 Posts: 777 Credits: 2,125 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Not much going on...Nothing to really post about and I have been busy with some racing stuff for my cousin who races in real life...and just the usual stuff that goes on day by day __________________

09-06-2002, 07:32 PM	#14
iceblizzard69 FinHeaven Elite Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On an island Age: 21 Posts: 13,387 Credits: 1,000 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	There is lots to talk about. I have probably posted more in the offseason than I do in the regular season. Then again, school sometimes gets in the way during the regular season.

09-11-2002, 08:30 PM	#15
Barbarian Pro Bowler Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vacaville, CA Age: 34 Posts: 2,342 Credits: 1,136 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	DWB, is this the same guy from thenflforum? If it is... soryy about that Toomer advice man... if it makes you feel any better, I sat him as well and neither of my other WR's put up anywhere near as good numbers as Amani... my bad. GO PHINZ!!!!!!!!!!!! Barbarian __________________ My Nomination for dumbest statement of the year. Said regarding the 10 commandments statue. "This isn't about religeon! This is about acknowleging the allmighty god!" ~Some moron on talk radio out here.

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