Prep star considers overseas payday over NCAA

[Ferretsquig]

Originally Posted by MikeO

Bottom line is the NFL is played by MEN. not kids. not boys,....MEN!! And you can't have some kid 1 or 2 years out of high school on the same field with grown men. It takes kids in football at least 3 years to get their bodies developed and ready to play on the NFL level. That is why that rule is in place.

Your right though the NFL and NBA is night and day. Any kid can walk off the street and play in the NBA and be good.

The rule is in place because both the NFL and NCAA profit from it. When it gets overturned you'll see NFL teams drafting 18 yr old kids for the same reason NBA teams do. The majority of them aren't physically capable of playing in either league, but occasionally a Lebron or Peterson comes along that is.

[ChambersWI]

Originally Posted by Ferretsquig

The rule is in place because both the NFL and NCAA profit from it. When it gets overturned you'll see NFL teams drafting 18 yr old kids for the same reason NBA teams do. The majority of them aren't physically capable of playing in either league, but occasionally a Lebron or Peterson comes along that is.

no they won't. It got overturned when Clarrett tried to get into the draft and the NFL fought to get it back to their way of thinking. No NFL team is gonna spend a first, 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th round pick on a kid right out of high school. Unlike high school basketball, where you do play the top players in the country via AAU, the top players in high school usually only play the other top talent in the All Star games (example: Terrelle Pryor. Great prospect, but he did not play against top competition)

[MikeO]

Originally Posted by Ferretsquig

The rule is in place because both the NFL and NCAA profit from it. When it gets overturned you'll see NFL teams drafting 18 yr old kids for the same reason NBA teams do. The majority of them aren't physically capable of playing in either league, but occasionally a Lebron or Peterson comes along that is.

The rule is in place in the NFL because they don't want to high school kids or college freshmen or sophomores in their league. It's not a kids league. It's a man's league. And in football those kids would be "PUSHED" to steroids to try and get their bodies into shape quicker to compete on a professional man's level.

There isn't that problem in the NBA so that is why you see a different age limit

[MikeO]

Originally Posted by ChambersWI

no they won't. It got overturned when Clarrett tried to get into the draft and the NFL fought to get it back to their way of thinking. No NFL team is gonna spend a first, 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th round pick on a kid right out of high school. Unlike high school basketball, where you do play the top players in the country via AAU, the top players in high school usually only play the other top talent in the All Star games (example: Terrelle Pryor. Great prospect, but he did not play against top competition)

yeah, and that!!!

[Ferretsquig]

Originally Posted by ChambersWI

no they won't. It got overturned when Clarrett tried to get into the draft and the NFL fought to get it back to their way of thinking. No NFL team is gonna spend a first, 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th round pick on a kid right out of high school. Unlike high school basketball, where you do play the top players in the country via AAU, the top players in high school usually only play the other top talent in the All Star games (example: Terrelle Pryor. Great prospect, but he did not play against top competition)

And all that evaluation NBA scouts derived from these AAU games when they were allowed to watch them got them what kind of success rate with high school kids? They didn't have a clue what they were drafting, but that didn't stop anyone. The allure of the tall guy who could run and jump was just too overwhelming.

The NFL will eventually be forced to let adults of any age enter the league simply because it has no legal right to deny them. And they'll face the same dilemmas NBA GMs were confronted with. Do you take the risk on the kid who won't contribute for the first three years he's in the league and could be a complete bust or do you take the bigger risk of being fired for passing up the next franchise changing talent? Do you seriously think a NFL GM could pass up an 18 yr old Peterson if given the chance to draft him?

[Ferretsquig]

Originally Posted by MikeO

The rule is in place in the NFL because they don't want to high school kids or college freshmen or sophomores in their league. It's not a kids league. It's a man's league. And in football those kids would be "PUSHED" to steroids to try and get their bodies into shape quicker to compete on a professional man's level.

There isn't that problem in the NBA so that is why you see a different age limit

So do you just copy sentences from you previous post or is it some sort of word scramble?

[djfresh47]

Originally Posted by Ferretsquig

The rule is in place because both the NFL and NCAA profit from it. When it gets overturned you'll see NFL teams drafting 18 yr old kids for the same reason NBA teams do. The majority of them aren't physically capable of playing in either league, but occasionally a Lebron or Peterson comes along that is.

I disagree. NFL teams invest so much into 1st rd picks that they've gotta hit. In your arguement I think it's not unreasonable to think that some RB's and WR's are ready say after there freshman year. Mike Williams was ready and I think it really hurt his career. Though very few guys are physically ready in the NFL. Furthermore I don't think teams want to invest in guys who are going to be 2-3 years before they're ready to even start developing on the field. IMO it has all to deal with the rookie salaries.

[MikeO]

Originally Posted by Ferretsquig

And all that evaluation NBA scouts derived from these AAU games when they were allowed to watch them got them what kind of success rate with high school kids? They didn't have a clue what they were drafting, but that didn't stop anyone. The allure of the tall guy who could run and jump was just too overwhelming.

The NFL will eventually be forced to let adults of any age enter the league simply because it has no legal right to deny them. And they'll face the same dilemmas NBA GMs were confronted with. Do you take the risk on the kid who won't contribute for the first three years he's in the league and could be a complete bust or do you take the bigger risk of being fired for passing up the next franchise changing talent? Do you seriously think a NFL GM could pass up an 18 yr old Peterson if given the chance to draft him?

Be forced; no legal right ha ha ha....uh NO!! Does a Country Club have the right to refuse members and not let people join? OF COURSE!!! Why, because its a private business. The NFL is a private business!!! You can't buy and sell NFL stock on Wall Street.

It isn't a god given right for everyone to have an equal opportunity to play in the NFL.

[Ferretsquig]

Originally Posted by MikeO

Be forced; no legal right ha ha ha....uh NO!! Does a Country Club have the right to refuse members and not let people join? OF COURSE!!! Why, because its a private business. The NFL is a private business!!! You can't buy and sell NFL stock on Wall Street.

It isn't a god given right for everyone to have an equal opportunity to play in the NFL.

Country clubs don't hold antitrust exemptions and implicit rights to negotiate as a single monopolistic entity. The NFL is not a private business. It is a federally regulated monopoly and is henceforth subject to the whim of the legislature. And noone should assume that protection is a god given right.

[MikeO]

Originally Posted by Ferretsquig

Country clubs don't hold antitrust exemptions and implicit rights to negotiate as a single monopolistic entity. The NFL is not a private business. It is a federally regulated monopoly and is henceforth subject to the whim of the legislature. And noone should assume that protection is a god given right.

How is the NFL a monoply???

AFL, CFL, USFL, XFL.........there were and still are pleanty of places for football players to go ply their craft. Just because the NFL pays more $$$ out to their talent doesn't make them a monoply. Anyone could go start a football league tomorrow and compete. Nothing is stopping anyone.

Didn't stop Vince McMahon or Donald Trump.

[Ferretsquig]

Originally Posted by djfresh47

I disagree. NFL teams invest so much into 1st rd picks that they've gotta hit. In your arguement I think it's not unreasonable to think that some RB's and WR's are ready say after there freshman year. Mike Williams was ready and I think it really hurt his career. Though very few guys are physically ready in the NFL. Furthermore I don't think teams want to invest in guys who are going to be 2-3 years before they're ready to even start developing on the field. IMO it has all to deal with the rookie salaries.

That may be the biggest hindrance. But just think back 20 years ago when the idea of a kid being drafted out of high school to the NBA was unheard of. Or when a freshman wasn't even allowed to play in college ball in either sport. These days high schools have better workout programs than major colleges had a generation ago. Sport factories that call themselves high schools exist for the specific purpose of preparing athletes for a professional career.

[dlockz]

I truly think the charade that the NBA has in thier draft rule is a major mistake. I think the Jennings decision will forever change the landscape and you may see alot more high school players make the move especially if Jennings plays well. Now that they have changed the age rule, college basketball is basically now worse with no team building because teams are only having one year players. A better rule would allow high schoolers to enter the draft but if a guy decides to go to college he must play two years before entering the draft. There is no correlation between college and athletic ability and now having guys just barely show up for a year of college basically makes thier one college year a waste. I personally think at some point the NFl will be forced to allow younger players to declare although if a high school player declared its very likely he would not be drafted very high due to the physical demands of the NFL. For those people that say the NFL can do what they want, not really because professional sports has been given some leeway legally to do things differant from other businesses and if they were not then the entire drafting of players could essentially be done away with legally so lets not try to compare the NFL to a private country club.

[SpaceMountain16]

Either way, playing overseas or in college the kid will actually learn how to play the game of Basketball. Something he wont in the NBA.

[MikeO]

Originally Posted by dlockz

I truly think the charade that the NBA has in thier draft rule is a major mistake. I think the Jennings decision will forever change the landscape and you may see alot more high school players make the move especially if Jennings plays well. Now that they have changed the age rule, college basketball is basically now worse with no team building because teams are only having one year players. A better rule would allow high schoolers to enter the draft but if a guy decides to go to college he must play two years before entering the draft. There is no correlation between college and athletic ability and now having guys just barely show up for a year of college basically makes thier one college year a waste. I personally think at some point the NFl will be forced to allow younger players to declare although if a high school player declared its very likely he would not be drafted very high due to the physical demands of the NFL. For those people that say the NFL can do what they want, not really because professional sports has been given some leeway legally to do things differant from other businesses and if they were not then the entire drafting of players could essentially be done away with legally so lets not try to compare the NFL to a private country club.

You couldn't be more wrong. Nobody has a god given right to "play" in the NFL. The NFL can get away with a draft and other things becuase there are other football leagues out there where players are more than able to go ply their craft.

The country club comparison is dead on!

[Ferretsquig]

Southern California prep basketball standout Brandon Jennings has committed to play in the Italian professional league's Rome-based Pallacanestro Virtus Roma team, his attorney and advisor announced today.
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His advisor, longtime former shoe company representative Sonny Vaccaro, negotiated in Las Vegas during the weekend with Virtus Roma General Manager Dejan Bodiroga.

Vaccaro described the terms as a "three-year, multimillion-dollar" contract with buyout considerations that will allow Jennings to leave the team and enter the NBA draft when eligible next year. Vaccaro declined to discuss financial specifics of the contract.

Good deal.....and they set up his family as well. If this works out for all parties involved there are going to be some real temptation for high school kids to get some paper in their pockets a year earlier.