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[thevegasphinfan]

Originally Posted by Breed

Yeah, and Beck made Trent Green and Cleo Lemon look like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

And How many games did Trent and Cleo win? Answer none.
Just have faith that the Front Office and coaches will have our team ready on Sundays this fall, and will play the best qb. Be it Beck or Henne or McCown.

[JsBaugh]

Originally Posted by Breed

Yeah, and Beck made Trent Green and Cleo Lemon look like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

Um no, if they were Tom and Peyton then they would have won games last year. Please think before you post. Oh did I point out Beck was a ROOKIE? Let me restate this, John Beck was a rookie on the worst team in football. Does it get any clearer for you? Move on.

[SuperMarksBros.]

Originally Posted by Breed

If I were a Jets fan, I'd definitely be rooting for John Beck to win the starters job. Although Henne being a rookie and McCown being a journeyman aren't exactly stellar options either......

then you're just trolling, no?

[Zaphod]

Originally Posted by Breed

That's very debatable, and even if you could make a legitimate claim that we were the worst team of all time, Trent Green and Cleo Lemon played on the same team.

Beck is going to succeed. He has all the tools, and with a line that gives him more than 1/10 of a second to throw, he will look good.

Green and Lemon were 1st and 2nd string, and the fins still went 1-15 - no QB was successfull last year. The team sucked, and by the time Beck got the nod, the lines were depleted, the WRs were depleted, the running backs were depleted. He had no one around him. Green had a better surrounding cast than Beck, and still couldn't make it work.

I can't think of a worse situation for any rookie qb to come into.

As a Beck fan, I'm starting to hope that he gets traded just to get away from all **** here. He just needs a fair shake with a compentent team around him. Last year he didn't have a competent team around him, this year it looks like he may not get a fair shake.

Or maybe you're just a hater.

[Vaark]

Originally Posted by Breed

Translation: And if you expect a rookie to come in and be anything better than the worst QB in the NFL than yes once again you are blind to reality

Tom Brady: 110.3*
David Garrard: 94.90*
Peyton Manning: 94.04
Tony Romo: 92.11
Ben Roethlisberger: 90.53*
Brett Favre: 89.97
Jeff Garcia: 87.95
Drew Brees: 84.97
Carson Palmer: 82.85
Matt Hasselbeck: 82.33
Jay Cutler: 81.45
Derek Anderson: 80.67
Kurt Warner: 80.56
Sage Rosenfels: 79.59
Donovan McNabb: 79.04
Chad Pennington: 78.05
Matt Schaub: 78
Philip Rivers: 73.85
Trent Green: 73.75
Vince Young: 71.78
Jason Campbell: 69.19
Cleo Lemon: 67.02

.......
John Beck: 42.85*

*=QB kneels are included

OOPSIE DAISY... you forgot this one:

A Tale of 2 Rookies (and what you get for $20Million more)

QB Rating
Beck 62%
Russell 55.9%

Compl Rating
Beck 56%
Russell 54.5%


TDs Scored
Beck 2
Russell 2


TDs
Beck 1
Russell 2


Ints
Beck 3
Russell 4

Sacked

Beck 10
Russell 6

Rushing Yds
Beck 12
Russell 4


Fumbles
Beck 7
Russell 4


Oakland
6th best running attack in NFL
Miami
23rd best in league


Beck: In shape, working all summer
Russell: stunt double for the Goodyear blimp, Krispy Kremed all summer

[Gonzo]

spamtastic thread chargers fan.

[Vaark]

Originally Posted by Breed

Yeah, and Beck made Trent Green and Cleo Lemon look like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

and Russell made Culpepper and McCown looked good. Better get on the phone with Al and let him know he wasted 30 mil

[RockyMtnPhinfan]

Who needs enemies with FANS like you buddy!!!

[retired opfinistic]

Try this one:

BeckAvy

[Breed]

Originally Posted by Vaark

OOPSIE DAISY... you forgot this one:

A Tale of 2 Rookies (and what you get for $20Million more)

QB Rating
Beck 62%
Russell 55.9%

Compl Rating
Beck 56%
Russell 54.5%


TDs Scored
Beck 2
Russell 2


TDs
Beck 1
Russell 2


Ints
Beck 3
Russell 4

Sacked

Beck 10
Russell 6

Rushing Yds
Beck 12
Russell 4


Fumbles
Beck 7
Russell 4


Oakland
6th best running attack in NFL
Miami
23rd best in league


Beck: In shape, working all summer
Russell: stunt double for the Goodyear blimp, Krispy Kremed all summer

Originally Posted by Vaark

OOPSIE DAISY... you forgot this one:

A Tale of 2 Rookies (and what you get for $20Million more)

QB Rating
Beck 62%
Russell 55.9%

Compl Rating
Beck 56%
Russell 54.5%

TDs Scored
Beck 2
Russell 2

TDs
Beck 1
Russell 2

Ints
Beck 3
Russell 4

Sacked
Beck 10
Russell 6

Rushing Yds
Beck 12
Russell 4

Fumbles Lost
Beck 5
Russell

Oakland
6th best running attack in NFL
Miami
23rd best in league

Beck: In shape, working all summer
Russell: stunt double for the Goodyear blimp, Krispy Kremed all summer

Adjusted QB rating (07):
Trent Green: 73.8
Cleo Lemon: 67
rookies:
Troy Smith: 72.6
Trent Edwards: 67.5
John Beck: 43.2
JaMarcus Russell: 40.9

So Beck was marginally better than Russell, good for him.

Originally Posted by JsBaugh

Um no, if they were Tom and Peyton then they would have won games last year. Please think before you post. Oh did I point out Beck was a ROOKIE? Let me restate this, John Beck was a rookie on the worst team in football. Does it get any clearer for you? Move on.

This is obviously over your head, but yes, Beck made Lemon and Green look like elite quarterbacks. I'm not sure where you got the idea that I was implying Lemon and Green were elite quarterbacks.

I'll make it simple for you, there's a 30.6 point differential between John Beck and Trent Green in adjusted QB ratings. Meanwhile, there was a 20.2 point differential between Peyton Manning and Trent Green in adjusted QB ratings. In other words, Trent Green was closer to Peyton Manning than John Beck was to Trent Green. And really, Trent Green was MUCH closer to Peyton Manning than Beck was to Green. Does that mean Trent Green was good? Of course not, it just means John Beck was really, really bad.....even for a rookie placed in a bad situation.

[WISfinfan13]

Originally Posted by Breed

Adjusted QB rating (07):
Trent Green: 73.8
Cleo Lemon: 67
rookies:
Troy Smith: 72.6
Trent Edwards: 67.5
John Beck: 43.2
JaMarcus Russell: 40.9

So Beck was marginally better than Russell, good for him.



This is obviously over your head, but yes, Beck made Lemon and Green look like elite quarterbacks. I'm not sure where you got the idea that I was implying Lemon and Green were elite quarterbacks.

I'll make it simple for you, there's a 30.6 point differential between John Beck and Trent Green in adjusted QB ratings. Meanwhile, there was a 20.2 point differential between Peyton Manning and Trent Green in adjusted QB ratings. In other words, Trent Green was closer to Peyton Manning than John Beck was to Trent Green. And really, Trent Green was MUCH closer to Peyton Manning than Beck was to Green. Does that mean Trent Green was good? Of course not, it just means John Beck was really, really bad.....even for a rookie placed in a bad situation.

Still arguing your points after it got moved into the Spam file???

[Breed]

Originally Posted by WISfinfan13

Still arguing your points after it got moved into the Spam file???

It doesn't make what I've been saying any less true.

[NamathDrunkLove]

Originally Posted by WISfinfan13

Still arguing your points after it got moved into the Spam file???

Well you're obviously still reading...

[JsBaugh]

Originally Posted by Breed

Adjusted QB rating (07):
I'll make it simple for you, there's a 30.6 point differential between John Beck and Trent Green in adjusted QB ratings. Meanwhile, there was a 20.2 point differential between Peyton Manning and Trent Green in adjusted QB ratings. In other words, Trent Green was closer to Peyton Manning than John Beck was to Trent Green. And really, Trent Green was MUCH closer to Peyton Manning than Beck was to Green. Does that mean Trent Green was good? Of course not, it just means John Beck was really, really bad.....even for a rookie placed in a bad situation.

WTF is your point with this thread? Who gives a crap. You just admitted Beck played bad on a bad team. If Trent Green was close to Manning and still couldnt win a game, what does that tell you? It should tell you how bad the team was. Then you throw a rookie QB in there and expect him to win a game? Get a clue and stop posting.

[NamathDrunkLove]

Originally Posted by JsBaugh

WTF is your point with this thread?

His point is Beck sucked more than what he should've, even put into a bad sitiuation. I think he is merely trying to brace you guys, (Beck lovers) for what might happen (him not being good at all). No finfan wishes bad on a fin player. He hopes that Beck proves him wrong. Beck just isn't showing any flashes at all. I agree with Breed 100%

who gives a crap?

Well obviously you do cause you're still fighting it too. Now it's your time to get a clue.