Ted Ginn Jr. Vs. Devin Hester Vs. Reggie Bush

[MrEd]

Originally Posted by zonk4ever

Ted Ginn, with a little bit of luck, has the potential to be the worst #1 pick in the history of the Dolphins. And that definitely is saying something because we've been bad a looooong time!

If Quinn develops into a solid Quarterback abd Beck's a bust, we might have something special here with Ginn.

Everybody gushes about Ginn's speed. How he instantly accelerates to top speed in a flash... very exciting right?

I'm not saying we shouldn't have drafted Ginn. Like Randy said: "we need speed" and I think he would have been a value pick in the 4th or 5th round!

Crazy? Let's take a look without rose-colored glasses:

He's hurt. How hurt? Something called a "Lis Franc" mid foot sprain. Mueller assured everyone he'll recover before camp starts in July. How does he know? Our team doctors assured him of this. THE SAME TEAM DOCTORS THAT ASSURED US THAT CULPEPPER WAS FINE AND AHEAD OF SHEDULE!!!!
The problem with this injury is it can be reaggravated at anytime! He's gonna play wide receiver in the NFL! Think there's a chance it could happen again? Kevin Jones , starting running back for the Detroit Lions, has the Lis Franc injury and they say his career is in jeopardy!

Ginn is small and skinny! Comparisons have been made illogically to Steve Smith of the Panthers and Sanatan Moss of the Redskins because their small and fast. Wrong they're not small they're short. Both possess compact muscular bodies with big calves and legs and they're physically superstrong for their size. Ginn small and skinny!

College production: this is where the rubber meets the road. This is why Randy gets all lathered up when he sees Ginn's highlights on YouTube.
Let's look at Teddy's stats: 59 receptions - 13.2 yards a catch, 1 kick return for TD, 1 punt return for TD. Are these awesome stats? No, actually there quite pedestrian. Anthony Gonzalez, the "other" Buckeye receiver, drafted by the Colts @ 32 had 51 receptions - 14.4 yards a catch. Gonzalez is nowhere near as fast but he's 20 pounds heavier and his pass receiving stats were similar to Ginn. And he's not injured.
Another comparison: Robert Meacham.
He went 27th in the draft (do you think we could have traded down to 27 and picked up a coplue of picks?)
6'3 211 had 71 receptions for 1298 yards averaging 18.3 yards per catch - ran a 4.4 at the combine.
Ginn- 51 catches 13.2 yards per catch vs. Meacham 71 catches 18.3 yards per catch.

I know college stats can be misleading at times and our pick last year Hagans is an example, but given Ginn's lack of size, injury status, and "so/so" college production, what can we really expect from him?

Taking him @ 9 was a tremendous reach and when you add the Brady Quinn factor, and all the other guys you could have gotten and extra draft picks, this could be one of the bad 1 picks for the ages.

I sincerely hope I'm wrong because I love my Dolphins

You've got to be kidding me??? You know what? There is only one explanation about why you would say such a thing...despite our QB experts Cameron and Shea liking Beck more than Mr (Joey Harrington Clone) Quinn.

To want Joey Harrington over Tedd (Steve Smith/Devin Hester/Marvin Harrison/Reggie Bush clone) Ginn Jr.

There is only one explanation for that. You need to contact EXODUS rehab.

[ih8brady]

Originally Posted by MrEd

You've got to be kidding me??? You know what? There is only one explanation about why you would say such a thing...despite our QB experts Cameron and Shea liking Beck more than Mr (Joey Harrington Clone) Quinn.

To want Joey Harrington over Tedd (Steve Smith/Devin Hester/Marvin Harrison/Reggie Bush clone) Ginn Jr.

There is only one explanation for that. You need to contact EXODUS rehab.

Steve Smith(WR), Devin Hester(DB), Marvin Harrison(WR) and Reggie Bush(RB) have no similarities between each other or Ginn, so how is Ginn a "clone" of them? (Not that Ginn won't do well, but this is a ridiculous comparison)

[Motion]

Originally Posted by MrEd

Every time I watch Tedd Ginn Jr's highlights...all I can say is OMG!!!!! This guy is something SPECIAL!

We got the BEST PLAYER IN THE DRAFT BARNONE!

Ginn Jr is Marvin Harrison/Steve Smith/Reggie Bush/Devin Hester in ONE PLAYER!

Woo Hoo!!!!!

Wow, I'd say thats a bit of a stretch. He's not half the WR that Harrison or Smith is at this point. He has great speed but I don't think he has quite the elusiveness that Bush and Hester have either. All that said I am excited to see him on the field and think he could become quite the player and a better return man than Hester.

[miamifan291]

Originally Posted by miamiron

Last year Ginn had 24 punt returns with 1 td
and 18 Kick returns with 1 td

2005 he had
25 punt returns with 1 td
18 kick off returns with 1 td

I n the last 2 years he has had 85 returns and 4 tds against college competition...All I'm saying is people are placing way to much expectations on this guy...He is human and by the numbers the last 2 years he's not going to bring it to the house like so many of you believe.

I hope he does but I have more realistic expectations than most of you

If this is what people are calling the X factor we need XXX factor

You're forgetting his first year in which he took back 4 punts for tds. Since then teams have been punting away from him giving OSU great field positition. Teams are going to let him prove his skills before they start punting away, so he's going to get the chance to return punts. The same thing happened to Devin Hester. He had an awesome freshman year, and then he only took like 3 or 4 back the next two years. I think he's done pretty good in the NFL so far.

[Dmarino110]

Originally Posted by zonk4ever

Ted Ginn, with a little bit of luck, has the potential to be the worst #1 pick in the history of the Dolphins. And that definitely is saying something because we've been bad a looooong time!

If Quinn develops into a solid Quarterback abd Beck's a bust, we might have something special here with Ginn.

you can stop right there. Thats all you need to say. Even if ginn returns 3 Kicks for TDs next year and catches 5 scores: if Brady throws 25 TDs with 10 INTs GINN IS A BUST. If that happens, who was more productive? Who was more important? QB trumps all except for a RB having a 1500+ yard season. Say what you want about not judging 1 season but you cant ever expect a KR to run an average of 3+ back for 10 seasons. When was the last time a dolphin ran back a KR or PR until wes did it last season. How many teams have at least 2 a season. Pinning your hopes on Special teams is STUPID.

I will also say this was no 1983 season draft. There were no marinos, elways, or Kellys in this draft but QB trumps WR every time. Especially one who might be out another 3 months.

Thats my opinion.

[miamiron]

49 punt returns 2 tds...HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA
#9 PICK SHAME ON THE DOLPHINS

[JT#1]

Originally Posted by miamiron

49 punt returns 2 tds...HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA
#9 PICK SHAME ON THE DOLPHINS

he returned 4 in his freshman year, then everyone started kicking away from him, something you failed to mention.

[Blitz]

Originally Posted by Dmarino110

you can stop right there. Thats all you need to say. Even if ginn returns 3 Kicks for TDs next year and catches 5 scores: if Brady throws 25 TDs with 10 INTs GINN IS A BUST. If that happens, who was more productive? Who was more important? QB trumps all except for a RB having a 1500+ yard season. Say what you want about not judging 1 season but you cant ever expect a KR to run an average of 3+ back for 10 seasons. When was the last time a dolphin ran back a KR or PR until wes did it last season. How many teams have at least 2 a season. Pinning your hopes on Special teams is STUPID.

I will also say this was no 1983 season draft. There were no marinos, elways, or Kellys in this draft but QB trumps WR every time. Especially one who might be out another 3 months.

Thats my opinion.

If John Beck had played for Notre Dame and Brady Quinn for BYU, I bet you Beck would have gone before Quinn in the draft.

The more I see and hear about Beck, the more I believe we got the better overall player and QB of the two.

[finfan54]

Originally Posted by zonk4ever

Ted Ginn, with a little bit of luck, has the potential to be the worst #1 pick in the history of the Dolphins. And that definitely is saying something because we've been bad a looooong time!

If Quinn develops into a solid Quarterback abd Beck's a bust, we might have something special here with Ginn.

Everybody gushes about Ginn's speed. How he instantly accelerates to top speed in a flash... very exciting right?

I'm not saying we shouldn't have drafted Ginn. Like Randy said: "we need speed" and I think he would have been a value pick in the 4th or 5th round!

Crazy? Let's take a look without rose-colored glasses:

He's hurt. How hurt? Something called a "Lis Franc" mid foot sprain. Mueller assured everyone he'll recover before camp starts in July. How does he know? Our team doctors assured him of this. THE SAME TEAM DOCTORS THAT ASSURED US THAT CULPEPPER WAS FINE AND AHEAD OF SHEDULE!!!!
The problem with this injury is it can be reaggravated at anytime! He's gonna play wide receiver in the NFL! Think there's a chance it could happen again? Kevin Jones , starting running back for the Detroit Lions, has the Lis Franc injury and they say his career is in jeopardy!

Ginn is small and skinny! Comparisons have been made illogically to Steve Smith of the Panthers and Sanatan Moss of the Redskins because their small and fast. Wrong they're not small they're short. Both possess compact muscular bodies with big calves and legs and they're physically superstrong for their size. Ginn small and skinny!

College production: this is where the rubber meets the road. This is why Randy gets all lathered up when he sees Ginn's highlights on YouTube.
Let's look at Teddy's stats: 59 receptions - 13.2 yards a catch, 1 kick return for TD, 1 punt return for TD. Are these awesome stats? No, actually there quite pedestrian. Anthony Gonzalez, the "other" Buckeye receiver, drafted by the Colts @ 32 had 51 receptions - 14.4 yards a catch. Gonzalez is nowhere near as fast but he's 20 pounds heavier and his pass receiving stats were similar to Ginn. And he's not injured.
Another comparison: Robert Meacham.
He went 27th in the draft (do you think we could have traded down to 27 and picked up a coplue of picks?)
6'3 211 had 71 receptions for 1298 yards averaging 18.3 yards per catch - ran a 4.4 at the combine.
Ginn- 51 catches 13.2 yards per catch vs. Meacham 71 catches 18.3 yards per catch.

I know college stats can be misleading at times and our pick last year Hagans is an example, but given Ginn's lack of size, injury status, and "so/so" college production, what can we really expect from him?

Taking him @ 9 was a tremendous reach and when you add the Brady Quinn factor, and all the other guys you could have gotten and extra draft picks, this could be one of the bad 1 picks for the ages.

I sincerely hope I'm wrong because I love my Dolphins

Zonk, i hear ya buddy. Wr's come and go faster than any other postion. Ginn is light and his stats are overshadowed by the YouTube that will be on this board from now until Ginn's contract is up or he gets a career ending injury, whichever comes first.

Dolphins fans get what we deserve because we only see things in gloryhound fashion with the "skill positions", as if LT is not a skill position or something. It is a tremendous reach even if he is not injured because you look at statistics and they are not favorable in the long term. A guy like Santana Moss, is he still in NY? of course not, he is playing for the team who would give him the most money and where he wanted to go.

All that aside, Ginn will bring some excitement to this offense and certainly will make New England look stupid by getting our special teamer only for us to get a better one. Only problem is.........he may not be here long enough to live up to the hype.

Dolphin fans have been had with JJ and Wrongstedt, then the ultimate Sat(b)an. And now we could be had again by two guys who may not be here either in a few years if Ginn and Beck do not pan out. You heard it from Mr. Huizenga himself.

[insom187]

Ginn's stride is unbelievable and you cant say he accelerates because in a flash hes at top speed. Im super excited to finally have such a weapon. Hester proved hes the best because hes done it in the NFL already but it isnt a stretch to say Ginn is already the most dangerous return man in the NFL based on his speed and instincts. If he can learn a few more routes and keep that speed, forget about it he'll be elite.

[SwampDawg]

Originally Posted by zonk4ever

Ted Ginn, with a little bit of luck, has the potential to be the worst #1 pick in the history of the Dolphins. And that definitely is saying something because we've been bad a looooong time!

If Quinn develops into a solid Quarterback abd Beck's a bust, we might have something special here with Ginn.

Everybody gushes about Ginn's speed. How he instantly accelerates to top speed in a flash... very exciting right?

I'm not saying we shouldn't have drafted Ginn. Like Randy said: "we need speed" and I think he would have been a value pick in the 4th or 5th round!

Crazy? Let's take a look without rose-colored glasses:

He's hurt. How hurt? Something called a "Lis Franc" mid foot sprain. Mueller assured everyone he'll recover before camp starts in July. How does he know? Our team doctors assured him of this. THE SAME TEAM DOCTORS THAT ASSURED US THAT CULPEPPER WAS FINE AND AHEAD OF SHEDULE!!!!
The problem with this injury is it can be reaggravated at anytime! He's gonna play wide receiver in the NFL! Think there's a chance it could happen again? Kevin Jones , starting running back for the Detroit Lions, has the Lis Franc injury and they say his career is in jeopardy!

Ginn is small and skinny! Comparisons have been made illogically to Steve Smith of the Panthers and Sanatan Moss of the Redskins because their small and fast. Wrong they're not small they're short. Both possess compact muscular bodies with big calves and legs and they're physically superstrong for their size. Ginn small and skinny!

College production: this is where the rubber meets the road. This is why Randy gets all lathered up when he sees Ginn's highlights on YouTube.
Let's look at Teddy's stats: 59 receptions - 13.2 yards a catch, 1 kick return for TD, 1 punt return for TD. Are these awesome stats? No, actually there quite pedestrian. Anthony Gonzalez, the "other" Buckeye receiver, drafted by the Colts @ 32 had 51 receptions - 14.4 yards a catch. Gonzalez is nowhere near as fast but he's 20 pounds heavier and his pass receiving stats were similar to Ginn. And he's not injured.
Another comparison: Robert Meacham.
He went 27th in the draft (do you think we could have traded down to 27 and picked up a coplue of picks?)
6'3 211 had 71 receptions for 1298 yards averaging 18.3 yards per catch - ran a 4.4 at the combine.
Ginn- 51 catches 13.2 yards per catch vs. Meacham 71 catches 18.3 yards per catch.

I know college stats can be misleading at times and our pick last year Hagans is an example, but given Ginn's lack of size, injury status, and "so/so" college production, what can we really expect from him?

Taking him @ 9 was a tremendous reach and when you add the Brady Quinn factor, and all the other guys you could have gotten and extra draft picks, this could be one of the bad 1 picks for the ages.

I sincerely hope I'm wrong because I love my Dolphins

Great post...someone gets it. Lis Franc injuries are bad and take a long time to heal if they do at all. Don't be surprised to see Ginn end the season on IR after being hampered early.

[Agent51]

Originally Posted by Alex44

The Texans were going to take him at #10 so I don't see why it is a reach. Also Daunte WAS ahead of schedule, just not ready to start the season.

So because the Texans were going to take him at 10 it isn't a reach?

The same Texans who passed on Bush, Young, Leinert, Cutler, and Brady Quinn to trade away too much for Matt Schaub? Yeah, you're right, they know what they're doing so if they were going to take him at #10 he couldn't possibly be a reach :rolleyes2.

I'm still seething over this Ginn situation. It's made worse not only by the fact that we passed on a franchise QB for him, but the fact that I was never sold on him headed into this thing. Now of course that doesn't mean he will be a bad player, just because I wasn't sold on him, but I'm just saying it makes this a tougher pill to swallow because we passed on a perfect guy at the position of biggest need for almost a DECADE, to take a guy I didn't even want to TRADE DOWN for.

I've said it ALL ALONG, I don't see him being special in the NFL. He wasn't even that special in the NCAA. So he's fast.......and? Lot's of guys are fast. Hell, didn't Justin Gatlin try out for the Texans awhile back? He's faster than Ginn, doesn't mean he's a good football player. Again, Ginn muffs punts and drops passes TOO often, he doesn't run consistent routes, he isn't physical, and he is TINY. Like someone already said, comparing him to Smith and Moss isn't accurate because they are short but muscular, Ginn is SKINNY. You can't even see his legs on game film they are so skinny. They look like they'd snap if guy's like Brian Urlacher or Roy Williams just LOOKED at them.

So the kid can "beat Aaron Ross and Leon Hall's press coverage" in college. I've heard that arguement, and it isn't valid. He didn't "beat" the coverage as in shaking it off, he "beat" it by running right by, there's a difference there. Once he gets to the NFL it's an entirely different ballgame. Even the great Calvin Johnson struggled already in Detroits rookie mini-camp. The article on ESPN.com said he was shocked at how much the pace was different and how much you have to learn, and it's going to be tough, and this was the guy everyone thought was the consensus best player period in the draft and would tear up the league. All it will take to stop Ginn in the NFL will be the defense lining up their fastest guy on him and he's done. As long as the defender can keep up, Ginn is uselss, because he doesn't run sharp routes and doesn't play a physical game, which are all things that in the NFL hlp you get seperation from the better CBs.

IDK, I'll support him because he is one of us know, but I just do NOT have a good feeling about him.

[satz]

The chips are stacked as its very rarely you find a lighter player getting up after getting a hit from strong safeties or LB`s in the short passing game.Also , in college their are no complex defences and most are simple line up and play.

At 177 lb i will be scared if a LB at 250 or a strong safety at 220 laying a slam .Second he will always be compared to quinn and his progression.Its even harder considering he will touch the ball 6-7 times in a game .

[TexanPhinatic]

The fact is the vast majority of teams ranked Quinn very close to John Beck, Drew Stanton, Kevin Kolb and Troy Edwards. These teams considered Russell the only "Franchise" Qb in the draft, and we were one of them. Cry more.
Ted Ginn will heal up fine, just will take some more time. Hes already at 80% or so (and running 4.0s at that %!!). As long as we dont rush him he will be fine, stop moaning about it.
And when he does we will have a playmaker like we havent had in a long time.

Seriously, this moaning is getting old.