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    Please keep all playoff scenarios and crazy miracle events here in this thread until we either clinch a playoff birth or are officially eliminated from playoff contention. There's no sense in cluttering the board with several different threads with the same explanations.


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    Originally Posted by NYCphan
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    Here is an updated breakdown of Miami’s playoff chances if we finish 10-6. We still do not control our playoff fate, but there are currently three ways to get in, and we’d need only one of eight games to go our way.

    Although Miami could get a playoff spot at 9-7, that outlook remains more complicated, so everything below applies only if Miami finishes 10-6.

    Any Patriots loss would give us the division in a tiebreak, whether via division record (loss to Bills) or AFC record (Jaguars or Texans).

    If the Pats lose once and the Jets win out to create a 3-way tie at 10-6, Miami still wins the tiebreak with the best head-to-head record among the three teams.

    Any Ravens loss would assure us a playoff spot, although we can’t yet say if it would be the division or a wildcard -- that depends on the Jaguars-Patriots game in two weeks. If the Pats lose, we win the division. A Jags loss (in any game, starting Thursday vs. Indy), combined with any Ravens loss, would assure us at least a wildcard at 10-6.

    The reason we’d still need a Jags loss despite beating them today is because a 3-way tiebreak could nullify our head-to-head advantage and give Jacksonville a wildcard over us via AFC record. Fortunately, the Jags-Pats matchup means we get something we need no matter who wins. (A Pats-Jags tie would not help us, however.)

    Without a Ravens loss, Miami can still win a wildcard at 10-6 if Denver loses once more.

    With the Broncos losing today, we’d be assured a wildcard at 10-6 if Denver loses to the Raiders or Chiefs. That would produce a 3-way tie among the Broncos, Ravens and Dolphins for both wildcards. In the first tiebreak, Denver is eliminated first (AFC record) and Baltimore gets the #1 wildcard over Miami (common games). In the second tiebreak, Miami wins via AFC record.

    Even if Denver wins out and San Diego loses its final three to finish second in its division at 10-6, Miami cannot win either wildcard in a 3-way tie with the Chargers and Ravens. Initially, the Chargers’ win over Miami wouldn’t count, nor would the Ravens’ win over San Diego. In the first tiebreak, the Chargers would be eliminated first (AFC record) and the Ravens would get the #1 wildcard (common games). In the second tiebreak, San Diego wins with its head-to-head victory over Miami.

    Updated: I had originally written that a Denver loss to Philadelphia wouldn’t help Miami, but examining it more closely, it might get us a wildcard:

    If Denver loses to the Eagles (and the Ravens win out), the same 3-way tiebreak would include identical 8-4 AFC records, so Baltimore would win the #1 wildcard via common games. In the second tiebreak, we’d be even with Denver in common games. That brings the tiebreak to strength of victory, which Miami might win.

    It gets complicated at this point, but Denver’s SOV is currently .490 and Miami’s is .440, and there are 26 games whose results we cannot project and that will affect the teams’ final SOV. (By ‘project’ I don’t mean ‘guess the winners.’ There are numerous games that must go a certain way, for example, to produce this Miami-Denver tie, so we can assume certain results.) After we project the games we can, Miami’s SOV becomes .436 and Denver’s is .442.

    Of the 26 games remaining, four affect both teams’ SOV and would ‘count double’ by raising one team’s SOV while lowering the other’s: SD@Ten, Car@NYG, Cin@NYJ & Jac@Cle (our preferred winners are in italics). As if that’s not bad enough, Jets wins or losses will count twice in Miami’s SOV, while Raiders’ or Chiefs’ wins/losses will count twice in Denver’s SOV.

    The bottom line: We could win a wildcard if the Ravens don’t lose and the Broncos lose only to the Eagles. It’s not a longshot, but it will help considerably if we get ‘good results’ from the four games mentioned above, along with other wins from the Jets and losses by the Raiders or Chiefs. (Obviously, it’s even better if the Raiders beat the Broncos or Ravens, or the Chiefs beat the Broncos -- but if they lose, at least it would help us if the wildcard comes to a SOV tiebreak vs. Denver.)

    I know this sounds like a mess, but if the Ravens and Pats win out, it could be our only way into the playoffs at 10-6.

    For those of you using things like the Yahoo playoff generator, please keep in mind that it is not reliable for tiebreaks that reach strength of victory. If all you’re entering is our games and other AFC contenders, it would be impossible for it to calculate a winner without asking you for a lot of other results in seemingly unrelated games, including NFC results. Most of the time this won’t matter, and it works fine.
    Last edited by JCane; 12-21-2009 at 11:43 PM.

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    Really we dont have to worry about Jax because like you said they play the Pats... so if Jax beats the pats, we dont even care about the Wildcard because we can win the division... and if the pats win the Jags are out

    the fact that those 2 teams play is vital...

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    Man why are these teams (Baltimore, New England, Chargers, Broncos, etc) ALL playing easy teams from now on?


    And, don't we have better Strength of Schedule against the Ravens?

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    Originally Posted by DolFanDon22
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    And, don't we have better Strength of Schedule against the Ravens?
    The first of the odd tiebreaks is strength of victory, not schedule.

    Before today's games, the Ravens were at .462 and Miami at .403. (Those are just my own calculations, and I haven't updated them yet.) It's true that the Ravens' season-ending SOV will suck, because beating teams like Detroit and Oakland will bring it down. In fact, Miami will likely have a better season-ending SOV than Baltimore.

    However, none of this matters because the most likely way we'd lose a tiebreak to Baltimore will be common games, which comes before SOV. If we both finish 10-6, Baltimore will be 3-2 against common opponents (Pats, Colts, Chargers & Steelers), and Miami will be 2-3.

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    I'd take it one step further......

    We should all be rooting for Jacksonville to win out.

    As posted above, a Jax win over the pats would give us the division (assuming we win out).

    The question is - What would the tiebreaker picture look like between the Pats, Baltimore, and Jacksonville?

    I think the Pats would lose out on Conference record.

    Of those 3 teams, I'd personally rather play the Jags, in JRS to boot.

    Otherwise, the #6 spot gets us a road game in Cinncy, or the #3 spot could land us NE or Baltimore again.

    Lets all root for the Jags these next 3 weeks!

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    Originally Posted by Avigatorx
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    The question is - What would the tiebreaker picture look like between the Pats, Baltimore, and Jacksonville?

    I think the Pats would lose out on Conference record.
    I haven't double-checked this, but it looks to me like the Jags would take the #1 wildcard in a 3-way tie at 10-6 with the Pats and Ravens. The Pats would then take #2 due to their head-to-head win over Baltimore.

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    Originally Posted by NYCphan
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    I haven't double-checked this, but it looks to me like the Jags would take the #1 wildcard in a 3-way tie at 10-6 with the Pats and Ravens. The Pats would then take #2 due to their head-to-head win over Baltimore.

    Keep in mind, something I forgot about too...

    Denver is 8-5, with a 6-4 conference record.

    So if Denver wins out, they get the #5 spot, if they lose to an afc team (oakland or KC), they will drop to 5 losses in the AFC, they have 1 NFC game left (Philly).

    If they win out, that only leaves 1 more WC spot, which should go to the Jags if there is a 3 way tie between the Pats, Ravens, and Jags.

    But we would be playing Denver if we are the #4 seed. Unless SD or Cinncy drop a few games, I'd imagine the best we can do is a 4 seed.

    Either way, I'd much rather have Jacksonville in the Playoffs than NE or Baltimore.

    Not sure how a 4 way tie for both WC spots would fall (Jax, Denver, Balt, NE), I think Jacksonville has the inside track at the #5 spot though if Dener loses again.

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    Jags won't make it, Guaranteed!

    Colts will KILL them!!!

    They are a Horrible team!

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    wow did you figure all that out your self? much appreciated.. i will revisit this post later

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    Cowboys now tied with the Chargers!


    So, maybe the 4th option is opening up LOL

    But they won't lose to the Redskins!

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