LeBron James...PROOF that Loyalty DOESN'T MATTER...

[JCane]

You should just start posting random crap to see how nyunc responds......at this point he'll argue most anything just to be right in his mind.

I think he's doing that to me at this point. No way he can believe the things he's posted in this thread.

[jree]

If lebron would have played like the star he is supposed to be in postseason then he and Cle would have a title.

Bear with me cause I'm using my phone so this might take like 5 posts: )

This is my point about this cavs team being a horrible supporting cast. If lebron doesn't play at his highest level, be it he quit or was really injured depending on who you ask, who is on the team to be the # 2 Guy.? Nobody. Atleast with the bulls they had pippen. Lakers have gasol, arrest, and sometimes Fisher. Lebron had absolutley nobody. No coach, no second in command.

If this team was almost as good as that 90s bulls team, why are they imploding and starting over? Cause that team was filled with a bunch of scrubs.

[jree]

If James committed to Cleveland other FAs would have signed there, who wants to go there if they know he is leaving?

So he's allowed to stay in Cleveland and get help but he's not allowed to leave Cleveland and get help?

[JCane]

So he's allowed to stay in Cleveland and get help but he's not allowed to leave Cleveland and get help?

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[jree]

They certainly could have lured Stoudemire if lebron was committed.

Swap Kobe and lebron and Lebron has zero title the last 2 years and Kobe has 1 title.

They wouldn't have been able to sign stoudemire. He's in it for the money and nothing else and Cleveland didn't have enough to sign both. More importantly, he wanted new York money.

[jree]

Lebron is the supposed star- it's his job to step up and make everyone arund him better it's not his teammates job to step up and carry Lebron.

The last line was a joke based on Lebron showing how he isn't a great competitor.

No but a team that's "comparable" to a Jordan led bulls team should have atleast one other player to help with some of the scoring against a breaking down Celtics team.

[JCane]

Cleveland traded SUPAHSTAR Delonte West and Sebastian Telfair (didn't even know they had him lmao) for something called Ramon Sessions and a tall guy I've never heard of.

Wow. This stuff was probably on it's way to help LeBron win a title if he would have stayed.

[nyjunc]

When you said the Lakers aren't a great team. I'm sorry, but teams that make it to the finals 3 years in a row and win 2, and are heavy favorites to make it back a fourth time are great teams.

They aren't a truly great team, they are the best of a bad bunch of teams. The Finals this year was some of the worst basketball I have seen in playoff games and it was the Finals! The level of play should be off the charts, it was brutal basketball.

The lakers are great for now but not a truly great team like the lakers of the 80s, Celts of the 80s, Bulls of the 90s and lebron never had to deal w/ the lakers anyway. The whole point was Jordan had to get through the 80s Celtics and Pistons(into early 90s) while lebron never had to get through any truly great teams.

It's funny how before this offseason it was all about how LeBron single-handedly took the Cavs to the Finals and now he's a loser and can't win by himself.

Miami fans that now love Lebron are making excuses for him. He's obviously the biggest reason they were contenders(and actually considered the favorites in the East the last 2 years) but he couldn't get it done when it mattered most.

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Nowhere have I been proven wrong, I can't help it if heat fans all of a sudden think lebron never had any help. Why was Clevalnd considered the favorites going into postseason the last 2 years? These are all excuses for lebron.

Dude...really? So his teammates don't have to step up and play well as opposed to a bunch of scrubs? Didn't I say all they did was stand around and wait for LeBron to win everything for them? That's trash. You CAN'T do it alone and you won't do it alone. Why doesn LeBron have to? Why is it such a requirement for LeBron to do it all alone when no one else has? No one else has.

How can we be such hypocrites? How can people point to Kobe's lousy teams and say he didn't have any help so he gets a pass. Kobe complains and whines about not having any help, quits on his team, and demands a trade. And we don't blame him. But we CRUCIFY LeBron for doing essentially the same although LeBron never complained about his teammates. He didn't do it verbally but I think it speaks for itself that he left.

No, it's not the job of his teammates to carry lebron. it's their job to play their roles and contribute but when Lebron isn't playing well it makes it difficult for those role players to do their jobs.


Kobe has won before! he had a bad game 7 but he didn't have back to back awful games in the 2 biggest games of the year. lebron has never won anything, his teammates don't have confidence he can get it done in big games, the lakers know Kob can get it done in a big spot even if he struggles for 45 minutes. They know they can count on him, that is a huge burden off of the role players and allows them to play more relaxed.


It does speak for itslef that lebron left, he wants a championship handed to him. That's all it tells us.

Bear with me cause I'm using my phone so this might take like 5 posts: )

This is my point about this cavs team being a horrible supporting cast. If lebron doesn't play at his highest level, be it he quit or was really injured depending on who you ask, who is on the team to be the # 2 Guy.? Nobody. Atleast with the bulls they had pippen. Lakers have gasol, arrest, and sometimes Fisher. Lebron had absolutley nobody. No coach, no second in command.

If this team was almost as good as that 90s bulls team, why are they imploding and starting over? Cause that team was filled with a bunch of scrubs.

They are starting over b/c their version of Jordan walked away from the team. This is equivalent to Michael Jordan becoming a FA after the 1990 season b/c he didn't think he could ever beat Detroit. Scottie Pippen wasn't considered really good until after they started winning titles, he was considered this soft guy who couldn't play against the big boys. If Jordan could have left and did leave we'd all think of that Bulls team the way you guys think of Clevalnd right now.

So he's allowed to stay in Cleveland and get help but he's not allowed to leave Cleveland and get help?

He left cleveland to be handed a title, there's a difference btw help and forming a super team.

No but a team that's "comparable" to a Jordan led bulls team should have atleast one other player to help with some of the scoring against a breaking down Celtics team.

Antawn Jamison has averaged 20 PPg in his NBA career, in Pippen's 17 year career he only averaged over 20 FOUR times and averaged 16 PPG in his career. he had a 2nd scoring option.

[JCane]

My stance and opinion of LeBron have yet to change since LeBron got here. I've always felt the same way about LeBron from his high school days. I said from the beginning that there was too much hype around this kid and that no matter what he accomplishes it will never be enough for the fans and the media. I don't let my emotions get in the way. That's why every year on this board as well as Hurricane boards I am CRUSHED for believing the Dolphins to be a 9 - 7 team (which is what I called last season) and believing that the Hurricanes will NEVER win **** with Randy Shannon at the helm. So don't think that because LeBron choose our city that my opinion of him is bias.

No where did I say that it's the job of his teammates to carry him. But if they're near as good as you think they are, then they shouldn't have a problem stepping up when he's off. Kobe's teammates did it for him. Jordan's teammates did it for him. LeBron's teammates did not. But Kobe and Jordan get the pass. LeBron does not. Again, the expectations for him coming out of high school were just too much for him to ever be successful.

Winning is winning man. You know that had the Jets went on to win the Super Bowl that you would have came to this board and so many guys would have stuck it in your face that we beat you guys twice last season. But winning is winning. If you guys had won it all after being "handed" a playoff spot...winning is winning. You either do or you don't. After LeBron wins his title people will point to the "help" that he had but in a few years it won't matter because all we look at is winning. My original post in this thread proves it. The Harris poll leaves no question.

The thing you don't realize about Antawn Jamison is that he was the number one option in Golden State years ago. Of course he's going to be a scoring threat. Pippen had Jordan. Jordan was the man. Jordan was the scorer. Antawn Jamison isn't in Pippen's league. Pippen was FAR superior defensively. One of the top three in the league defensively his entire career. Pippen could lock down anyone in the league. Jamison is a lazy defender. Jamison looks good on the highlight reel. That's about it. And Jamison averaged 15 points with LeBron. Sounds kinda similar to Pippen's 16 a game average with Jordan doesn't it.

[Ferretsquig]

Nowhere have I been proven wrong, I can't help it if heat fans all of a sudden think lebron never had any help. Why was Clevalnd considered the favorites going into postseason the last 2 years? These are all excuses for lebron.
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Antawn Jamison has averaged 20 PPg in his NBA career, in Pippen's 17 year career he only averaged over 20 FOUR times and averaged 16 PPG in his career. he had a 2nd scoring option.

You're saying Jamison is comparable to Pippen. And in your mind you can't be proven wrong.....

I love Jamison and I've watched the guy play since his time at Carolina. But he is what he is.....a scoring PF in a SF body who can't defend either position. He was lousy as a first option, pretty bad as a second option, and a great 6th man. Pippen he is not. And that comparison is just beyond inane.