Where would we stand if...

[Merman]

Originally posted by clumpedplatelet
With the Top 51 filled,

Ruddy: saves approx. $1.97 million

Madison: saves approx. $1.8 million

All above have been adjusted for top 51 rule

Until just recently we didn't have 51 players signed. I just changed for that but the numbers are not up yet.

There are two differences. I have Ruddy getting a roster bonus of $500k. Madison we have discussed before and disagree on his prorated bonus amount. As for Fiedler I would like to hear why you think his option bonus is not part of team salary until it is exercised.

[SMadison29]

You have to account for the roster bonuses now because they count against our cap in 04 unless we release them.

[Clumpy]

That may not be entirely true. I have learned recently that some roster bonuses do not count unless exercised while others do, like Zach Thomas' in 2004. It's a new revelation that I've learned while exploring on how Drew Bledsoe's $7 million November bonus count vs Bills cap in 2004. BTW: His option bonus does not count vs cap at this time

[Clumpy]

Originally posted by SMadison29
You have to account for the roster bonuses now because they count against our cap in 04 unless we release them.

I do have all bonuses on the cap page counting. I'm reviewing whether a few of them count (Fielder, T. Bowens)

[dolfan87]

Damn...ok.

[Clumpy]

I know, I know......bonuses are where all of us "cyber-capologists" have problems
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[Phinzone]

Originally posted by clumpedplatelet
I know, I know......bonuses are where all of us "cyber-capologists" have problems
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I'm still struggeling through this learning process. You were right, this will take awhile, but I think i have a good start.

The problem that I get, is how do we know how much someone is going to make? When I look at the cap page and see ______ signed for 4 millino over 4 years, where can I look to see how much he gets in year 1 as opposed to year 4? (that was just an example)

Also, on the salary page, are those the figured of the REMAINING contract? Like if Thomas was to get 7 mil over 7 years, would that page show that we owe him 3 million (granted he was getting 1 mil a year for 7 years), OR would it show 7 mil signed through 2007 even though we would have paid him 4 mil from that salary?

[Clumpy]

4yrs-$4 million

You can go to


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Change team to Miami and then type in name of player and it will give you the salary for 1 yr.....click on player's name and it then gives you that player's salary history. Add up the salaries for the yrs the deal covers. The remaining portion will be the bonuses. Signing, roster, etc.....signing bonus is amortized over the length of the deal.

It will take some time......keep at it though

I hope this isn't too basic.

[Clumpy]

Those figures are the numbers associated with the release or trade of a player. I will answer this in more detail later.......I gotta hit the road
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[Merman]

Originally posted by clumpedplatelet
That may not be entirely true. I have learned recently that some roster bonuses do not count unless exercised while others do, like Zach Thomas' in 2004. It's a new revelation that I've learned while exploring on how Drew Bledsoe's $7 million November bonus count vs Bills cap in 2004. BTW: His option bonus does not count vs cap at this time

What is Bledsoe's option ??? Does he have any control of the outcome to void future years ???