Lol it amazes me we are still talking about 1-15. then we went 11-5.The lions went 0-16.
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Originally Posted by dlockz
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Are you really going to make me pull out the Miami roster before he got here and compare it to a recent one? Ok
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Originally Posted by dlockz
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Offense:
QB 10 Trent Green 17 Cleo Lemon 9 John Beck
HB 23 Ronnie Brown 28 Jesse Chatman 20 Lorenzo Booker
38 Patrick Cobbs
FB 45 Reagan Mauia
WR1 84 Chris Chambers 82 Derek Hagan
WR2 86 Marty Booker 19 Ted Ginn,Jr 83 Greg Camarillo
TE 88 David Martin 87 Justin Peelle
LT 72 Vernon Carey 71 Cory Lekkerkerker
LG 76 Chris Liwienski 63 Gene Mruczkowski
C 64 Samson Satele 66 Rex Hadnot
RG 66 Rex Hadnot 63 Gene Mruczkowski
RT 70 LJ Shelton 79 Anthony Alabi
Defense:
OE 99 Jason Taylor 93 Akbar Gbaja-Biamilla
DT 91 Vonnie Holiday 90 Rodrique Wright
NT 94 Keith Traylor 96 Paul Soliai 60 Steve Fifita
LE 98 Matt Roth 95 Chase Page
SLB 55 Joey Porter 59 Donnie Spragan 53 Abraham Wright
MLB 54 Zach Thomas 58 Kelvin Smith
WLB 52 Channing Crowder 56 Derrick Pope 50 Edmond Miles
RCB 25 Will Allen 22 Michael Lehan 21 Andre Goodman (inj)
LCB 29 Travis Daniels 32 Jason Allen
SS 37 Yeremiah Bell 26 Travares Tillman 47 Courtney Bryan
FS 24 Renaldo Hill 44 Cameron Worrell
Special Teams:
K 3 Jay Feely
P 4 Brandon Fields
LS 92 John Denney 99 Jason Taylor
KR 19 Ted Ginn,Jr 20 Lorenzo Booker 23 Ronnie Brown
PR 19 Ted Ginn,Jr 86 Marty Booker
POS FIRST SECOND THIRD OTHER
WR Davone Bess
LT Jake Long Will Barker
LG Richie Incognito Ray Feinga
C Mike Pouncey Ryan Cook
RG Vernon Carey John Jerry
RT Marc Colombo Nate Garner
TE Anthony Fasano Jeron Mastrud Will Yeatman
WR Brian Hartline Clyde Gates Julius Pruitt
QB Matt Moore JP Losman Pat Devlin
RB Reggie Bush Daniel Thomas Lex Hilliard Steve Slaton
FB Charles Clay
LDE Kendall Langford Tony McDaniel
NT Paul Soliai Ryan Baker
RDE Randy Starks Phillip Merling Jared Odrick
SLB Jason Taylor Ikaika Alama-Francis
ILB Karlos Dansby Austin Spitler Marvin Mitchell
ILB Kevin Burnett
WLB Cameron Wake Jason Trusnik
LCB Sean Smith Will Allen
RCB Vontae Davis Nolan Carroll Jimmy Wilson
SS Yeremiah Bell Tyrone Culver
FS Reshad Jones Chris Clemons
Now the first thing I notice is the youth. Our roster is much younger and with youth comes growing pain but I have no doubt that if ireland keeps drafting like this we will be ready to compete for a loooong time pretty soon! I know it's hard but enjoy the proceSs.. Don't pay attention to all these media Debbie downers
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HOTTEST OWNERS IN THE GAME!!!
I dont need the media to tell me we have had three straight losing seasons. Just because we possibly have more talent the results are no better and results are what count. In 4 years we have developed an oline that tied a record for most sacks ever by a phin team and we invested alot of money and picks in it. Drafting like what basically one starter a year will not have us competing
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Originally Posted by Oraclepz
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When Death Smiles Upon You the Infantryman smiles back
The offensive line situation has been a disaster and a lot of that is on Ireland and Parcells. I know it was Tony's specialty and folks like to blame him for the unit playing like crap, but Jake Grove? Justin Smiley? Etc? Tony didn't sign those guys.
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Originally Posted by dlockz
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Me say come, Mister Fisher man, show me da contract
Daylight come and Jake Long go home
An' it's six mil, seven mil, eight mil bunch
Daylight come and Jake Long go home
Ireland gets pieces to win. He cant play offense nor defense. We went 0-7 and some how got 6 wins with Moore. We would of had more wins if it wasnt for our Def against Broncos and if Marshall would of caught a pass agaisnt Dallas.
We did lose to the Giants (Superbowl champs) by what 4 points? We didnt get blown out like the Falcons.
As of now I want to give Ireland another draft before making my final verdict. He did get us players like Clay, Jimmy Wilson and Pouncey. I will give Gates more time. We needed a fast guy and we got one of the fastest in that draft for cheap.
Let Moore start this year as we have no choice. Draft a rookie QB but dont reach for one.
All I see from that is we're worse at QB and WR and everything else is a push. What was your point again?
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Originally Posted by Oraclepz
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The more I look at things in detail, the happier I am with Ireland and this group. Just one example-your first round pick should be a slam-dunk starter or at least contributor every single draft. Take a look at our historical first round picks:
In 1996, our first round pick was Daryl Gardener. Great player who started and contributed for years. After that:
1997: Yatil Green
1998: John Avery
1999: JJ Johnson
2000: No 1st round pick (took Todd Wade in 2nd)
2001: Jamar Fletcher
2002: No 1st rnd pick
2003: No 1st rnd pick (but we got Eddie Moore in rnd 2)
2004: Vernon Carey
2005: Ronnie Brown (with #2 pick overall)
2006: Jason Allen
2007: Ted Ginn (with #9 pick overall, we got his family too)
Now start Ireland's tenure:
2008: Jake Long - started from Day 1, perrenial pro-bowler
2009: Vontae Davis - starter, #1 cb on team, called best cb nobody knows by HOF QB Brett Favre
2010: Jared Odrick - missed first year with injury, contributor on deep line last year, projected starter this year + Koa Misi (remember we traded back, so our 1st rnd pick actually got us both guys)- he's a starter, but we're looking to upgrade
2011: Mike Pouncey - started at center from Day 1, projected as a top center in the league
Bottom line is we've actually gotten somewhere with our first round picks under Ireland, while the majority of those before him were absolute busts, and only a few actual contributors in Carey and Brown, that I would argue were reaches at their spots. He inherited a team devoid of talent because of previous lunacy with our 1st rounders. Cut the guy some slack!
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