Matt Moore was the 12th best QB in the NFL last season

[R&R Express]

Everyone knows Sanchez sucks and isn't a top 20 QB. No point in trying to convince Junc of this fact. He's as blind as they come.

[Harry_Bagpipe]

Everyone knows Sanchez sucks and isn't a top 20 QB. No point in trying to convince Junc of this fact. He's as blind as they come.

Hes the WesternNYPhinsfan of jets fans. lol

[Wildbill3]

Of course. I just assumed that was obvious. Well i guess i should of known better. QBR is a measurement that is used pertaining to that year. Marino played in a era where it was unheard of to throw for 40tds and 5000 yards(remember elway never threw for 30, ever) To compare a qb rating now with all the changes in the rules to favor the passing game, with a qb rating 30 years ago is asinine. You have more than a few qbs throwing for over 4k yards these days.

I lost attention to whatever the lame arguement was in sanchez's favor when he tried to pull the career QBR in comparison to marino... Marino who's Career peers are all in the hall of fame or soon will be (with one exception). while on the flip side all the other qbs he mentioned are best compared to other qbs who aren't in the hall of fame with one exception.

[nyjunc]

Back to the who was a better QB than marino, perhaps the most telling stat on profootball focus is ... who was most like marino for his career...



Jeff Garcia




Hmmm Duante Culpepper... strange I see jeff garcia on this list... maybe comparing apples to apples has some merit.



Hmmm Chad pennington sure isn't compared to any HOFer's

Marino stopped playing in '99, Culpepper was already in the league and Chad was a year away. We are not comparing a guy who played in the 60s to current guys.

The bottom line is if you strictly use stats and QB rating to judge then the rankings are very flawed. Stats tell PART of the story(and I love the excuse about marino playing in an era when RBs and Ds carried teams to SBs).

[nyjunc]

Sanchez was not a top 20 QB in 2011, he was near the top 10, if not in it, in 2010.

[Phinatic8u]

Sanchez was not a top 20 QB in 2011, he was near the top 10, if not in it, in 2010.

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[nyjunc]

FWIW, Cam Newton, who coming out was a much better QB than Sanchez is even now, did worse than Moore with an upgraded offense including 2 TE studs plus everyone you mentioned and his own legs as an additional weapon, not to mention a coach who cared and wasn't a lame duck going 1-5 and 2-10 vs Moore's 1-4 in 2010. So your argument is only relevent if you're wearing homer glasses. And as far as reaching 2 title games, doesn't that mean he also lost 2 title games? But you know, I will give him credit for a legitimate run in 2010 but even reaching the post season in 2009 was more due to Peyton Manning and Jim Caldwell so I won't even get into the competition before Peyton and Colts spanked and blanked Sanchez in the last 31 minutes when it actually counted.

Since you take such pride in losing big games, it's important to note that "winning 2 post season games" is the best the jest ever did, and that includes that farce of a 2 game post season 1969 superbowl "victory" so to that extent I'll grant you credit where due
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Either Tim Tebow is a dummass or he's smart, you'll have to decide since obviously he felt he had a better chance of beating out Sanchez than Gabbert for the starter job. And if he thought he couldn't beat out arguably the worst QB in the league last season, what does that make Sanchez?

You are going to compare a rookie starting from day 1 to a journeyman who started when a season was already over? It figures.

When is the last time Miami won 2 postseason games int he same postseason? I'll answer it for you: 1984

[nyjunc]

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it's amazing how fans that follow it as closely as you do don't understand this game and just judge based on fantasy rankings. It's mind boggling.

[Wildbill3]

Marino stopped playing in '99, Culpepper was already in the league and Chad was a year away. We are not comparing a guy who played in the 60s to current guys.

The bottom line is if you strictly use stats and QB rating to judge then the rankings are very flawed. Stats tell PART of the story(and I love the excuse about marino playing in an era when RBs and Ds carried teams to SBs).

look I know you're smart enough that you can dance all day, but to say the 80's and early 90's were the same as the late 90's and 00's is about as asinine as it comes. You aren't dealing with football speculation, you're dealing with football fact, the game changed forever with free agency, and it further changed with the league changing the rules to benifit pass oriented teams. Over thier careers Daunte isn't even in the same stratosphere as marino, or perhaps you think you should be comparing dumte to farve, peyton, and elway as well as marino? I don't see dumbte ever knocking on the doors of canton, in fact the only way he gets in is if he buys a ticket.

[Harry_Bagpipe]

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You can't argue with crazy and you can't fix delusional. Lol