Should we consider taking a Center?

[MiamiDolphin618]

well get ready for him to go high...lombardi says he has a promise from a team as a 1st round pick...don't know if that will happen but top 50 i bet it does...i agree he doesn't show much rush arsenal but the tools are very high end and i think it was the walrus who informed me that at wvu they didn't even work on pass rush drills etc he just used his athleticism and speed and explosive get off of the ball...that said i have seen him redirect back inside to the qb on occasion...

chandler jones looks like top 20 pick and there's word that seattle at #12 is giving him heavy consideration...patriots said to love him but doesn't look like he's getting anywhere near there...

Yeah I read a writeup on him on Yahoo a few weeks ago. Irvin essentially said the same thing...that none of his coaches really worked with him...he just beat people off pure athleticism. Then he went on to say something like if he got coached up he could be a dominate pass rusher, etc. I would take him at 42 in several situations.

[PSU Cane]

well get ready for him to go high...lombardi says he has a promise from a team as a 1st round pick...don't know if that will happen but top 50 i bet it does...i agree he doesn't show much rush arsenal but the tools are very high end and i think it was the walrus who informed me that at wvu they didn't even work on pass rush drills etc he just used his athleticism and speed and explosive get off of the ball...that said i have seen him redirect back inside to the qb on occasion...

chandler jones looks like top 20 pick and there's word that seattle at #12 is giving him heavy consideration...patriots said to love him but doesn't look like he's getting anywhere near there...

Oh, i'm sure he'll be overdrafted....guys with his athleticism are all the time. Eagles fan remember Mike Mamula, haha! Actually, Irvin might fit the Eagles wide 9 best at this point. I just don't think he's worth a pick that high. He's always had off the field issues (spent time in jail, recently arrested after his pro day for damaging public property) and was never a full-time player at West Virginia....West Virginia!!! To me, those are big red flags. He's a boom or bust player no doubt, which is why in the 3rd i'd be willing to take the risk but not high in Round 2. He's a skinny frame guy who doesn't use his hands well, doesn't have functional strength at the point or to disengage blockers, doesn't show instincts (more of a see ball, chase ball guy so i can't see him playing LB), and is a one trick pony at this point.....run as fast as you can around the tackle to the QB. In my life there was only 1 guy who could get away doing that. His name was Derrick Thomas. The difference with those 2 guys is Thomas had a great shoulder dip and ran the arc better than anyone. I just can't see spending a high 2nd round pick on a guy who would only be a special teams guy who plays maybe 15 plays a game on passing down.....the only guys who should be drafted that early and not play 80% of the snaps are QBs.

If i'm going to take a pass rush specialist only, a guy to groom for the future, i'd be more inclined to lean towards Kyle Wilber. He has better size, a good first step, and has shown the ability to drop in coverage. Plus, he can be had much later in the draft and not be expected to produce early in his career.

[hooshoops]

would you guys go postal if we used the #8 pick on chandler jones??? i know we've worked him out extensively and his stock is red hot...i think he might actually be in play along with coples and tannehill...

[PSU Cane]

Yeah I read a writeup on him on Yahoo a few weeks ago. Irvin essentially said the same thing...that none of his coaches really worked with him...he just beat people off pure athleticism. Then he went on to say something like if he got coached up he could be a dominate pass rusher, etc. I would take him at 42 in several situations.

So doesn't that seem odd? Why would coaches not work on fundamentals and moves? Is it b/c Irvin wasn't an easy guy to coach? Was it b/c he didn't pick things up all that well so it was just easier to say "go out there and do your thing", or was it b/c they are just LOWSY coaches? Makes you wonder.....

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would you guys go postal if we used the #8 pick on chandler jones??? i know we've worked him out extensively and his stock is red hot...i think he might actually be in play along with coples and tannehill...

I'd MUCH rather have Jones than Coples. I also like Cox though too.

[MiamiDolphin618]

So doesn't that seem odd? Why would coaches not work on fundamentals and moves? Is it b/c Irvin wasn't an easy guy to coach? Was it b/c he didn't pick things up all that well so it was just easier to say "go out there and do your thing", or was it b/c they are just LOWSY coaches? Makes you wonder.....

It does seem a bit odd. But, considering he had what 14 sacks as a junior as a pass rush specialist...maybe they didnt think he needed to do anything else? Just thinking out loud, I honestly dont have an answer.

[MiamiDolphin618]

I like Chandler Jones, but man...8 is pretty rich. I wouldnt go postal...but I would be pretty disappointed in taking him over Tannehill. Id rather take the QB with high end tools and potential than an OLB with high end tools and potential. Its not like Jones has crazy production...I mean youd be drafting on upside with him as well.

[hooshoops]

hey i'm just trying to put the pieces together of where guys value lies and what miami feels is a priority...and imo pass rush even if its situational pass rush is critical...if its a true 43 i think also though that a 43 de who can play on 1st and 2nd down and be stout against the run is another must have

[Valandui]

I still feel like flipping Pouncey and Incognito would be a great move. Garner could still be a good fit at RG as well.

[MiamiDolphin618]

hey i'm just trying to put the pieces together of where guys value lies and what miami feels is a priority...and imo pass rush even if its situational pass rush is critical...if its a true 43 i think also though that a 43 de who can play on 1st and 2nd down and be stout against the run is another must have

I like Malik Jackson as a true 4-3 end. And as stated Irvin is my favorite pass rush specialist type.

[hooshoops]

I like Chandler Jones, but man...8 is pretty rich. I wouldnt go postal...but ut I would be pretty disappointed in taking him over Tannehill. Id rather take the QB with high end tools and potential than an OLB with high end tools and potential. Its not like Jones has crazy production...I mean youd be drafting on upside with him as well.

with that arm length and height i think what teams are envisioning is a 280 lb defensive end in the 43...with versatility...right now i think he's 265 but i see him filling out as he's still body wise not maxed out into a 280 lb 3 down man child...and the kids got serious upside

i won't be surprised if he goes top 12 tomorrow i tell ya that...not anymore