nba playoffs round 2 discussion thread...

[JCane]

Miami has attempted 103 free throws. Miami has made 85 of those.

Oklahoma City has attempted 93 free throws. Oklahoma City has made 69 of those.

Miami has attempted 10 more free throws than Oklahoma City.

That's five more trips to the line for Miami over the course of four games.

Miami has committed 77 personal fouls.

Oklahoma City has committed 83 personal fouls.

Miami drives and attacks the basket far more than Oklahoma City does.

I think I can understand a six-foul difference over four games.

[hooshoops]

Miami has attempted 103 free throws. Miami has made 85 of those.

Oklahoma City has attempted 93 free throws. Oklahoma City has made 69 of those.

Miami has attempted 10 more free throws than Oklahoma City.

That's five more trips to the line for Miami over the course of four games.

Miami has committed 77 personal fouls.

Oklahoma City has committed 83 personal fouls.

Miami drives and attacks the basket far more than Oklahoma City does.

I think I can understand a six-foul difference over four games.

that sounds like more bs...again i ask the games been called fairly in the finals...give it to me straight ...yes or no

[JCane]

nope...he's the best player in the league...been sayin that for a long time...bron has gotten a bad wrap...its him and bunch of pieces...at least this year...no one else is truly legit...but the refs don't seem to know that it seems...

ok cane i'm putting you on the spot since you came in here...you think the officiating in this series has been on the up and up...fair and square???

I think it has been even. I think there have been calls that Oklahoma City got that they shouldn't have got, and the same goes for Miami.

But I think when you attack the rim the way Miami does, you're bound to get more calls. I'm pretty surprised that the difference in fouls isn't MORE in our favor. Oklahoma City settles for a lot of jump shots. It's HARD to foul Kevin Durant on a jumpshot because he's so long. Unless you tackle him, his release point is just too high for anyone to get up there and contest. So that's a wash. No one for Oklahoma City really comes hard at you. Wade baits a lot of defenders. Honestly, I hate that baiting **** but it works. What can the refs do not call it? LeBron is so big and physical...no one can stop him. When he goes to the basket, you can either foul him and send him to the line or let him score easy buckets. Teams really don't have much of a choice.

[hooshoops]

by the way that attacks the basket things is horse****...that sounds like something colin cowherd says when he talks about why the heat get the calls...then he says the best game the heat played this postseason was against the celtics in game 6 and thats garbage...that was the best game lebron james played...he put the team on his shoulders and said we're not losing...good on him...he's the man...

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I think it has been even. I think there have been calls that Oklahoma City got that they shouldn't have got, and the same goes for Miami.

But I think when you attack the rim the way Miami does, you're bound to get more calls. I'm pretty surprised that the difference in fouls isn't MORE in our favor. Oklahoma City settles for a lot of jump shots. It's HARD to foul Kevin Durant on a jumpshot because he's so long. Unless you tackle him, his release point is just too high for anyone to get up there and contest. So that's a wash. No one for Oklahoma City really comes hard at you. Wade baits a lot of defenders. Honestly, I hate that baiting **** but it works. What can the refs do not call it? LeBron is so big and physical...no one can stop him. When he goes to the basket, you can either foul him and send him to the line or let him score easy buckets. Teams really don't have much of a choice.

even...you're full of **** ha ha

[JCane]

that sounds like more bs...again i ask the games been called fairly in the finals...give it to me straight ...yes or no

This is what it is.

I knew before this series started that we'd hear this talk from people. I knew people would blame the refs and I've kept a spreadsheet with fouls and free throws because I knew I'd need it.

If it really was as unfair as most of you guys make it out to be, the discrepancy would be far greater.

Turns out, it's pretty even.

[JCane]

by the way that attacks the basket things is horse****...that sounds like something colin cowherd says when he talks about why the heat get the calls...then he says the best game the heat played this postseason was against the celtics in game 6 and thats garbage...that was the best game lebron james played...he put the team on his shoulders and said we're not losing...good on him...he's the man...

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even...you're full of **** ha ha

It's not what Cowherd says...it's the truth. It's what every NBA analyst says.

If you attack the basket, you're more than likely going to draw fouls.

True or false: If I drive the lane and attack the basket and go right at defenders, they're more likely to foul me than they are when I'm out on the perimeter shooting jumpers with a cushion between me and my defender.

That's absolutely true. There's no way around it. People who attack the basket draw a lot more fouls than jump shooters.

[CalDolFan10x14]

go back to your homer thread...if you or cane think that the games have been called fairly i'd rather not talk hoops with you...i don't expect any objective analysis

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You're clearly the one doing the subjective "analysis" with your bagging on the officiating! Come on, man. Even you should be better than this. I gave you several reasons why the Heat took this game from the Thunder and that's your response??? "go back to your homer thread"??? Wow.

But hey, if you want to use the officiating as an excuse...fine, I'll go back to the Heat thread and let you wallow in your sorrows about the David Stern and the refs. But even the most casual fan can see that the Thunder are not playing like they've been there before. The Heat have been, they've felt the pain of losing out at a shot at a ring...and that's the difference. They've wanted it more than OKC so far.

Alas, championships AREN'T won with three victories. The Heat still will have to scratch and claw to pull off the most difficult victory of their careers. If the Heat do happen to pull it off, though, there ain't no amount of bashing the haters can do that's going to stop them from being recognized as champs. They will have earned it.

[hooshoops]

This is what it is.

I knew before this series started that we'd hear this talk from people. I knew people would blame the refs and I've kept a spreadsheet with fouls and free throws because I knew I'd need it.

If it really was as unfair as most of you guys make it out to be, the discrepancy would be far greater.

Turns out, it's pretty even.

if the calls are close it doesn't mean **** when all the calls in the clutch go one way...when the games tight the calls or lack of have been laughable...thatsaid durants been in bs foul trouble in 2 games out of the 4 and tonight it was hardin...2 fouls against james fighting for position or on the post catch can they let them play??? good grief...the wade stuff is rediculous...every shot he takes he pulls someone down or dives all over the damn floor and they reward him for that bull crap...i get it your a heat fan and as a dolphins fan i'm sure you're starving for a winner but lets at least earn it with the play on the court and not cause the officiating either takes the oppositions go to and best player off the floor or seems to miss calls and fouls when the games on the line...game 3 hardin is pressing lebron down 2 they let them play thru that but then when hardin establishes position on the side of james and it was clear he was there and bron drops an elbow in his chest they call that bs a block...bull****...its the damn nba finals 16n seconds left play thru dumn **** like that...and tonight...well the replays don't lie...guys getting called for fouls with no damn contact...the nba is all about runs and when you put guys at the line every time down the court in critical times you kill it...if its a foul then fine if its bs lets play on...and i've seen so much bs my eyes are brown

[JCane]

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[hooshoops]

It's not what Cowherd says...it's the truth. It's what every NBA analyst says.

If you attack the basket, you're more than likely going to draw fouls.

True or false: If I drive the lane and attack the basket and go right at defenders, they're more likely to foul me than they are when I'm out on the perimeter shooting jumpers with a cushion between me and my defender.

That's absolutely true. There's no way around it. People who attack the basket draw a lot more fouls than jump shooters.

sure if you go to the basket you're gonna get more calls...no doubt...but the calls in this finals haven't been about that...if you think this has been fair well you're either lying to me or not sure what the rules are and whats a foul...or better yet what should be a damn foul in the nba finals for gods sakes...i would make the argument also that westbrook has gone to the basket every bit as much as the heat...guys rediculous down the lane...