Josh Gordon run 4.52 at pro day

[KTOWNFINFAN]

Over that era of QB drafting, take 4 guys in the 1st round, you get 1 guy that's good (Kosar, 108 starts, 82 PR), another guy that's a long term backup (Walsh, 38 starts, 66 PR), another guy that starts a lot (Brown, 60 starts, 68 PR), and one who busts out of the league quickly (Rosenbach, 20 starts, 66 PR)...that's pretty much almost exactly average for that era. So I'm not sure someone can tell me that Supplemental QBs have worse than normal success relative to draft position.

And add to that that you are getting to use the pick a season early. That normally cost you a round. As I wrote in earlier post, the supp draft is a great way to get max value out of your picks.

[KTOWNFINFAN]

Why did this thread get moved to draft forum and the other thread on supp draft is still up in main forum??

[sdjack605]

Would go a 3rd for him

[ckparrothead]

And add to that that you are getting to use the pick a season early. That normally cost you a round. As I wrote in earlier post, the supp draft is a great way to get max value out of your picks.

Not a fan of that particular rationale. You're not getting a guy a year early. You're using a resource for a young player. If he plays 10 years with you and the guy you would have used that 3rd round pick on in 2013 would've played 10 years for you then you haven't received any more or less years of service from either player. Winning is going to be just as important tomorrow as it is today. The concept of time value of draft picks (e.g. a 2nd rounder today is worth a 1st next year) is a sham, a farce, a stupid approach which allows smart teams like the New England Patriots to consistently have an unfair advantage in the Draft every year, which in turn bails them out of really some pretty average draft evaluations/decisions.

[MiamiDolfan85]

Yeah, I wrote that as I was going to bed, and I wanted to expand, but I'm simply too tired. Some focal points from my knowledge on both -

Stills is incredibly stiff, he's a body catcher, and I see VERY little burst out of him for the first 5 yards. That doesn't bode well for me, at all. Gordon has very nice upper body strength, seems to get out of jams easily (although, I'm not sure his competition was too strong) and he had a multitude of passes thrown behind/in front where he had to make body adjustment.

I absolutely love strong body language from my receivers. You either see it, or you don't. It's what allows truly elite athletes, like Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson... to become elite receivers. It allows mediocre athletes (such as Brian Hartline) to become "good/mediocre" receivers. It's body language like this that shows you an ability to adjust, to function with your hands/hips/feet, and secure a catch with your eyes. I suppose a better way to put it would be "high motor function". Well, that and soft hands.

Stills may catch a few too many balls with his body, but theres not ONE wideout highlight tape where a WR hasnt had some. As far as that goes, I'll wait on a response.


Stills reminds me so much of Chad Johnson. Now, he may not have Johnson's explosiveness, but don't sit there and pretend like this guy can't run. He averaged just under 14 yards per catch(13.9). Thats great for a WR. Especially in the Big 12 no less, against some of the most physical corners the NCAA has to offer. A majority of Stills plays occur over the top of the safeties. Whatever's left, comes from what he can do after the ball.


Stills runs NFL routes day in, and day out. As far as Im cocnerned, he's probably one of the top polished route runners the draft has to offer. And I dont care about speed(even though he has it), Reggie Wayne isn't the fastest reciever in the league either. But you know what, his 11 year career is based on two things alone. Route running, and his hands. Stills has both.


At worst, he'll have a very long, solid career.

[j-off-her-doll]

Stills may catch a few too many balls with his body, but theres not ONE wideout highlight tape where a WR hasnt had some. As far as that goes, I'll wait on a response.


Stills reminds me so much of Chad Johnson. Now, he may not have Johnson's explosiveness, but don't sit there and pretend like this guy can't run. He averaged just under 14 yards per catch(13.9). Thats great for a WR. Especially in the Big 12 no less, against some of the most physical corners the NCAA has to offer. A majority of Stills plays occur over the top of the safeties. Whatever's left, comes from what he can do after the ball.


Stills runs NFL routes day in, and day out. As far as Im cocnerned, he's probably one of the top polished route runners the draft has to offer. And I dont care about speed(even though he has it), Reggie Wayne isn't the fastest reciever in the league either. But you know what, his 11 year career is based on two things alone. Route running, and his hands. Stills has both.


At worst, he'll have a very long, solid career.

Wait, what??

[ckparrothead]

Wow, evidently Gordon failed a drug test associated with that bust where he was caught sleeping in a friend's car that had marijuana in it, and NFL people are saying he failed a drug test at Utah as well (though Gordon is denying that one).

Put down the weed, son!