A Jobs Report Conspiracy?

[phinfan3411]

To you I would not be considered middle of the road because you are just way over to the extreme right. I considered voting for McCann at one point. That ended when he choose Palin as his running mate. I would consider myself liberal on some issues, conservative on others.

You make a habit out of being right, huh?

I'm a extreme right winger that thinks our democratic governor of NY, Andrew Cuomo, is the best gov we have had in decades?

I'm an extreme right winger that believes in a women's right to choose, and gay rights?

I'm an extreme right winger that despises the two major parties, and won't even watch the debates until they let the libertarian into them?

I'm an extreme right winger for believing our war machine is a racket, believing we spend WAY TOO MUCH on defense, and subscribing to Gary Johnson's form of foreign policy?

Those beliefs that i argue for here everyday make me an extreme right winger only to an "independent" that is more to the left of every other independent in existence.
When is the last time you heard me back up either of the two major parties except for Cuomo?

I am fascinated by how many people insist they are independent, yet VERY CLEARLY are not, and every other post is as partisan as can be...yeah you're an independent alright.

[phinfan3411]

Nazi's?
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Ugh.

Invoking Nazi Germany in a political debate should be a TOS violation.

Anyway, thanks to Spesh for his links and quotes in this thread. It's always nice to be reminded of what a charmer Richard Nixon was. The fact that he became the respected "elder statesman" late in life is a ****ing embarrassment. When he died they should have done as HST suggested and burned his body in a trash bin and then dumped it in an open sewage canal.

I believe he has a history of this, i think another thread on WWII reenactment went south because of this, and if he cannot call them a nazi...well he can always go to the race card.

Actually, i should not single him out, he has a friend or two, whose posts are mirror images of the other, when their party or President (and they claim to be independent) get called out, they empty all of the "tools" in their partisan issued attack bag.

These people cannot seem to grasp that the OP is as independent as they come, and fired the same shots at our former President.

[poornate]

Without reading this thread or its comments, i would like to say this... this is as dangerous an accusation as there is... there is no way fro these numbers to be massaged... and when the American public begins to distrust reality to this depth, we are in trouble...how do we take back the conversation from the ideologues when fact has no meaning, and proof is in the eye of the beholder? Couple this with the efforts to remove voters from the rolls of so many states and we have a crisis in the making... facts are not to be believed and the people with a voice are thinned to a bright, white line of narrow interests... media is a danger to, rather than an ally of, democracy in these recent times...

[phinfan3411]

Without reading this thread or its comments, i would like to say this... this is as dangerous an accusation as there is... there is no way fro these numbers to be massaged... and when the American public begins to distrust reality to this depth, we are in trouble...how do we take back the conversation from the ideologues when fact has no meaning, and proof is in the eye of the beholder? Couple this with the efforts to remove voters from the rolls of so many states and we have a crisis in the making... facts are not to be believed and the people with a voice are thinned to a bright, white line of narrow interests... media is a danger to, rather than an ally of, democracy in these recent times...

I do not know enough about this report to comment one way or another, i will say that the numbers do not sound right to me, but you are absolutely right on the media.

Oh...and welcome back Nate.

[irish fin fan]

Socialist.

I don't even think you know what the word means.

[Dolphins9954]

My goodness.
It must hurt some 'Americans' a lot that the number went down.

If any of you thought that over 30 consecutive months of adding jobs will not be reflected at one point or another in the unemployment rate then ....... (I censored myself).

I don't even think that any of you who are elevating this to a conspiracy theory or even mention it in the same sentence or remotely trying to suggest the possibility of a conspiracy theory really want the job numbers to be better as it would not fit the agenda. Which is in the same category as Mr Mitch McConnell who declared that the political priority should be making Obama a one-term President. Despicable, sad and extremely anti-american.

Secondly it seems that none of you actually know how this statistic is produced for decades and by whom and that any WH has no influence of the numbers or the publishing of these numbers since there are legal safeguards in place to prevent the power of the executive branch to influence suich numbers. If these numbers could have been that easily being manipulated I doubt that any President ever would have an unemployment rate of more that a lousy percent.

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Funny. You didn't complain about the way the numbers are being gathered before.

Actually I have. I even started the thread with the "shenanigans" involved with unemploment numbers. Like many other economists have pointed out, over 800,000 jobs in September is a bit skewed and probably not true. Especially when you consider that the same household indicators had us in a recession for the past 2 months prior to that.

[irish fin fan]

You don't seem to know very much about the Nazis or the history of Nazism.

Nazism is synonymous with Germany because it was invented there. Originally the Nazis were simply one of many political parties in Germany and were called the German Workers Party. But in the aftermath of the humiliation of WWI, their brand of virulent nationalism struck a chord with the German public, and with Hitler as their inspirational leader began to gather steam in the 1920s.

It was Hitler himself who changed the name of the German Workers Party to the National Socialist German Workers Party, the German name for which was abbreviated NSDAP, or Nazi for short.

So you see what I mean by this all being a very silly argument you're making? When you reference the Nazis, people do not sit there and wonder what that means. It's clear. Even irish fin fan hasn't thrown his weight behind suggestion of yours that he could have been talking about any number of other Nazis.



Because it's not equivalent. Socialism is a political philosophy. What happened in Russia, in China, in Cambodia and in several other places was an obvious and deliberate adaptation of that idea (which had been adapted into Marxism and then into Marxism-Leninism) that took many forms in many different countries.

When a right winger says Obama is a socialist, can anybody really be so dense as to assume they're only referring to Stalism, for instance, and not the quite different Maoism, which was different again from the Khymer Rogue, or Mussolini, or Castro, or Tito, or the various Kims of North Korea?

It's vague. That's why people when people hear "socialism" or "communism", what they think of is a totalitarian nanny state, without property rights, ruled by a cult of personality. That's what they assume about Obama, not that he's going to kill everyone who wears glasses (since that implies you have an education) as the Khymer Rogue did.

Nazism, on the other hand, refers to one country, with one philosophy, that is guilty of many clearly defined acts, including genocide. If you refer to it, you invoke not just a philosophy but those acts. The same would be true of calling someone a Stalinist, which also refers to a particular country at a particular time and therefore particular acts. To compare such unspeakable atrocities to a conspiracy theory about a jobs report is ridiculous. It's ignorant. It demeans history.

The Nazis, at their core, in believed only the strong survive and the weak deserve to die. They blindly assumed that of course they were strongest. Now you tell me which party that sounds like.

I'm reading bull**** on this forum about invoking Nazis. Yet in the past I've seen the term used for ridiculing some democratic policy, which completely makes me laugh. I hear people freely accusing people of been Communists, another system which was just as efficient in mass murder as Nazis. Mods, if I'm violating TOS then send me a message and I will have no problem refraining from using the term.

[irish fin fan]

Actually I have. I even started the thread with the "shenanigans" involved with unemploment numbers. Like many other economists have pointed out, over 800,000 jobs in September is a bit skewed and probably not true. Especially when you consider that the same household indicators had us in a recession for the past 2 months prior to that.

Oh and the previous two months were revised upward too.

[Dolphins9954]

Oh and the previous two months were revised upward too.

Not the household indicators.

[irish fin fan]

I believe he has a history of this, i think another thread on WWII reenactment went south because of this, and if he cannot call them a nazi...well he can always go to the race card.

Actually, i should not single him out, he has a friend or two, whose posts are mirror images of the other, when their party or President (and they claim to be independent) get called out, they empty all of the "tools" in their partisan issued attack bag.

These people cannot seem to grasp that the OP is as independent as they come, and fired the same shots at our former President.

Yes, you are right the word Nazi should never mentioned in a discussion about a WW2 reenactment.

Regarding the race card I don't think I have used that yet. However, it's a good point I might have to pull that out in the future...