Another Instance of Union Impropriety

[phinfan3411]

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Just a link to back up some of the things I have been spouting.

Very interesting reading, especially if you liked "The Sopranos". If it wasn't so truly sad, it would be funny, this is the crap you have to put up with when you live in a corrupt union laden state such as this.

I also have to comment on the home owners association comparison, I feel this is a terrible comparison, it assumes that you have a similiar ability to choose both house and job. We bought a house about 6 years ago, and easily looked at 12-15 of them, in different neighborhoods, we could have continued for months, there were literally thousands that matched our criteria.

It's been a while since i looked for a job (thankfully), but i'm pretty sure MOST people are not fortunate enough to pick between thousands of offers, in this day and age many would be happy with ONE offer...so i feel that is a terrible comparison.

By the way, there are many more examples of this, just from my little area of the country, i just have to remember all the numbers of the local unions to give you the data. It is NOT isolated incident, i had to ask my friend what the number was of this union to find it though...have a bad memory.

[phinfan3411]

LOL, you call me silly and ridicule my posts, then you dismiss me casually. C'mon man, you gotta bring better than that. You want me to produce evidence for your argument? Tell ya what, YOU go find me the union literature that states you have to go on your own time to support political figures that do not pertain to your job. You claim that a politician affects the job because of the policies they may bring. I defy you to show me a sitting politician that has done more to cost union jobs than the union officers that price themselves out of competitive bid jobs. I'll wait. I know it's a long trip back to Bizarro World.

As far as being a silly person......didn't you admit you have no knowledge of unions? And here you are ridiculing someone that has a lifetime of first hand experience of unions in action. Must be nice to have been born omniscient. (That's probably a big word for you, which you clearly don't know anything about)

Mo, you have been missed...that is all.

[MoFinz]

Mo, you have been missed...that is all.

Thanks, I've missed being around. Place hardly seems the same
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[TheWalrus]

LOL, you call me silly and ridicule my posts, then you dismiss me casually.

I dunno. I think I'm dismissing you pretty actively, actually.

You want me to produce evidence for your argument? Tell ya what, YOU go find me the union literature that states you have to go on your own time to support political figures that do not pertain to your job.

I wasn't asking you for evidence to support my argument. I was asking for evidence -- any evidence -- regarding my specific question. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. But despite your "lifetime" of first hand experience you don't seem to be able to rebut my supposition, which probably means that you can't.

Edit: And now I know why. This is from the SEIU bylaws:

SEIU Bill of Rights and Responsibilities in the Union

The right to have opinions heard and respected, to be informed of union activity, to be educated in union values and union skills.

The right to choose the leaders of the union in a fair and democratic manner.

The right to a full accounting of union dues and the proper stewardship over union resources.

The right to participate in the union’s bargaining efforts and to approve union contracts.

The right to have members’ concerns resolved in a fair and expeditious manner.

The responsibility to help build a strong and more effective labor movement, to support the organizing of unorganized workers, to help build a political voice for working people, and to stand up for one’s co-workers and all workers.

The responsibility to contribute to the support of the union.

The responsibility to treat all workers and members fairly.

The responsibility to offer constructive criticism of the union.

Here's the link (page 43):
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Now if you don't mind, a fine lunch of nectar and ambrosia awaits me on Mt. Olympus.

[MoFinz]

I dunno. I think I'm dismissing you pretty actively, actually.



I wasn't asking you for evidence to support my argument. I was asking for evidence -- any evidence -- regarding my specific question. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. But despite your "lifetime" of first hand experience you don't seem to be able to rebut my supposition, which probably means that you can't.

Edit: And now I know why. This is from the SEIU bylaws:



Here's the link (page 43):
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Now if you don't mind, a fine lunch of nectar and ambrosia awaits me on Mt. Olympus.

Understand context much? Building a political voice is a part of that whole line, but nowhere in that line does it impose a penalty for failure to participate in a union supported event. The union bosses are the political voice for the workers. You dont see workers at an arbiters table during a negotiation. Political issues, like labor issues, are handled above the worker grade.
The second line you highlight? Refers to the monetary and devotional support, it's not a demand for political fealty.
Now...since you've become the expert on unions, look up in there and tell me what the term "salting" means. After you've wiped the nectar and ambrosia from you chin.
Next time, do some independent thinking and don't rely on a weak word in one line that doesn't exactly buttress your argument.

p.s. Hope lunch was good.....ambrosia usually makes me gassy
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[TheWalrus]

Understand context much? Building a political voice is a part of that whole line, but nowhere in that line does it impose a penalty for failure to participate in a union supported event.

So on your planet there's no relationship between marching and holding up signs and building a political voice? Neato. What do you call it?

14.The Executive Board of each Local Union shall appoint such committees as it deems necessary to carry out the organizing, political action, social and economic justice and retiree programs and policies of this International Union.

That must not mean anything either. And there's no way that failing to discharge one's duty could lead to any sort of a punishment, right?

PREAMBLE. In order to ensure members’ protection from the filing of frivolous charges, the following
procedures shall apply:

Section 1. Local Unions, their officers or members, and officers of any affiliated body, and officers of the International Union, as the case may be, may be charged with:

(1) Violation of any specific provision of this Constitution or of the Constitution and Bylaws of the Local Union...

...Section 5. The trial body, after requisite due process has been afforded, may impose such penalty as it deems appropriate and as the case requires.

D'oh!

[MoFinz]

So on your planet there's no relationship between marching and holding up signs and building a political voice? Neato. What do you call it?



That must not mean anything either. And there's no way that failing to discharge one's duty could lead to any sort of a punishment, right?



D'oh!

D'oh is right. Or did you hear the guy in the video make reference to his due process? No? I wonder, could that maybe be because there would be no due process?

You just don't want to see do you?

[TheWalrus]

D'oh is right. Or did you hear the guy in the video make reference to his due process? No? I wonder, could that maybe be because there would be no due process?

You just don't want to see do you?

Yeah, amazing that in a 23 second video they didn't get to that. LOL.

[MoFinz]

Yeah, amazing that in a 23 second video they didn't get to that. LOL.

LOL yeah......maybe because there is no due process.....just the fine. How ya doing with that salting definition btw? Bet ya find that interesting

[LouPhinFan]

Did I see that someone used the term "willingly join a union" in this thread? LOL at that. Most jobs that I know of that are union MAKE you join the union.

I've been apart of one union in my life; the cashiers/baggers union when I worked at a grocery store during college. I asked them if I had to join the union and they said "no, but we're still going to take our dues". Try working in a Ford plant and not join the union. Laughable.

Unions wield more power in this country than they should.