Making sense of the election, 3 weeks away.

[trojanma]

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This article is complete nonsense. Delusional thinking.
This race is going to be exceedingly close. Closer than the last election.

There is still time to go so unexpected events can still shift opinon, but if the election were to happen tomorrow Obama would likely win in a narrow victory on the strength of Ohio, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Nevada.

Romney has made gains since the first debate when he debunked some of the perceptions against him by pivoted hard to the middle on his answers.

[CedarPhin]

Whats the point in that? Seriously, no offense but you guys smoke too much weed. You know I like you Cedar, but you guys need to explain how writing in whoever accomplishes anything. What is the point?

I live in the People's Republic. Therefore, my vote doesn't count, since it'll be a blue landslide. There's more blue in this state than at a Crips convention.

There are a bunch of propositions here that I'm interested in, though, so most of my focus is going on them. I like Gary Johnson, I like Ron Paul, so I'll probably put one of their names in for that. I don't care much either for Obama or Romney, and since my vote doesn't count, I don't care about who I vote for.

[CedarPhin]

I can understand what youre saying, and I would agree that generally we are left choosing between 2 options that dont look so great. I get that.

But, you have to be realistic. More people arent going to think like Cedar. Its just not going to happen. We live in a country where the large majority of people are clueless. Youre not going to change that. It would take a LONG time to change the culture to where most people have a clue and we could have a system of multiple parties and a government that could work with rapid changes like that.

And what are you guys doing to get this change started? Writing in people that nobody cares about? How does that help? Sitting on your couch smoking bongs? How does that help? Posting on FH? How does that help? If you truly believe this **** needs to happen, then make it your life cause and get out there and stir the ****. Create the change. Be the change.

Fact is we have 2 candidates to choose from who can win. Thats the situation we are in. So you need to get real and deal with the situation we are in instead of trying to escape that reality. Choose the best option of the two. When this is over, start your campaign to make **** different. As for now, we have a circumstance where the incumbant President has done possibly the worst job of any president for 4 years now. He needs to be removed. You dont like Romney? Fine. But, could he really do worse than Obama?

You need to decide that and choose one of those 2 men. Reality is that one of them will be our leader for the next 4 years. Writing in RuPaul will have ZERO effect on anything.

I totally get where you're coming from, and I usually share this type of thinking, a realistic approach. But, being that I live where I live, it doesn't matter who I vote for, since we already know what the results here are going to be. If I lived in say, Oregon or Colorado, I may vote for one of the two, but here? It doesn't matter. Maybe I'll write WVDolphan in, since you're the only one who keeps it real.

You're absolutely right too about people not voting like me. I don't really expect them too. I have a low view of most people. The people around this forum are exceptions to the rule. I have a hard enough time talking to people about politics without them giving me a blank stare and trying to change the subject to professional wrestling. If more people voted/thought like me, the world would be a better place for it.

Haha. Happy Wednesday WV.

[Tetragrammaton]

At the end of the day, the only people whose vote really matters is people in Ohio, if it gets that close. Take away the non-voters and the base partisans, and a few thousand people pick the President.

[WVDolphan]

I totally get where you're coming from, and I usually share this type of thinking, a realistic approach. But, being that I live where I live, it doesn't matter who I vote for, since we already know what the results here are going to be. If I lived in say, Oregon or Colorado, I may vote for one of the two, but here? It doesn't matter. Maybe I'll write WVDolphan in, since you're the only one who keeps it real.

You're absolutely right too about people not voting like me. I don't really expect them too. I have a low view of most people. The people around this forum are exceptions to the rule. I have a hard enough time talking to people about politics without them giving me a blank stare and trying to change the subject to professional wrestling. If more people voted/thought like me, the world would be a better place for it.

Haha. Happy Wednesday WV.

LOL how true. It usually dosent take long. You get into a conversation with someone and they may make a senseable statement or two, whether you agree or not is irrelevant to the point, but usually after that you quickly find out they really are lost. Then they try to change the subject after they realize you can continue speaking about important issues with a decent amount of knowledge for a while. They want no part of it.
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Also agree with you on voting in states that are a lock. I forgot you live in California. It dosent matter who you vote for, Obama will be taking that one down. Im in the same boat. Im not even going to the polls for the purpose of the presidential election. Hell, Obama didnt even win the primary here.
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Im going to vote for the local elections. Of course sadly, the local elections can be a bit of a joke here. These people vote the SAME people in everytime for congress and senate. You remember how many years in a row Robert Byrd served as US senator from WV? The guy shouldve been in a nursing home the last year he won. I hate to say it, because there are a lot of good people here, and there are some well informed too, but a lot of folks around here are beyond clueless.

[WVDolphan]

At the end of the day, the only people whose vote really matters is people in Ohio, if it gets that close. Take away the non-voters and the base partisans, and a few thousand people pick the President.

Yep. If I lived in one of the key swing states I would be kinda stoked. Id be going to the polls with a serious purpose. Getting to go to the poll knowing that your vote for the presidential election actually matters would be pretty cool IMHO. Here its so rare that its close, plus its not worth many electoral votes.


How do you guys feel about the electoral system? Would you rather go to a popular vote count? Would that make it easier to fix the election? What do you guys think about this. For a POFO full of socialists
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you guys are alright ya know. At least you guys have educated opinions on things. I can respect that whether we agree on tree hugging or not.

[COphinphan89]

I live in a very contentious swing state. My inner circle, family and friends, are on a warpath to get me to vote for Mitt Romney. They act like a second Obama term would be more destructive than the Civil War. I come from an extremely conservative background from where I grew up in Florida to where I live now. But by the time I've gone to early voting next week and cast my vote for Gary Johnson, they'll be to late. If only the GOP could drop the rabid, psychopathic warmongering, they would pretty much have me. At that point I think I could get over my disdain for the American Hezbollah wing of the GOP.

[WVDolphan]

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I just thought of the perfect switch for that last Carlin bit I posted.....

It dosent take ya very long to spot one of em either. Take ya about 8 seconds. You'll be listenin to Tyler's roomate...... you say....... This guy is ****in stupid!

Then there are some people, theyre not stupid. Theyre full of ****. It dosent take you long to spot that either does it. Take ya bout the same amount of time. You'll be reading NYJunc's posts...... ya say, well, he's fairly intelligent................ AAAAAH! He's full of ****!!!

Then there are some people, theyre not stupid. Theyre not full of ****. Theyre ****ING NUTS!!!! Cash In Fist is ALL THREE!! Stupid, full of ****, and ****ing nuts!

[rob19]

I can understand what youre saying, and I would agree that generally we are left choosing between 2 options that dont look so great. I get that.

But, you have to be realistic. More people arent going to think like Cedar. Its just not going to happen. We live in a country where the large majority of people are clueless. Youre not going to change that. It would take a LONG time to change the culture to where most people have a clue and we could have a system of multiple parties and a government that could work with rapid changes like that.

And what are you guys doing to get this change started? Writing in people that nobody cares about? How does that help? Sitting on your couch smoking bongs? How does that help? Posting on FH? How does that help? If you truly believe this **** needs to happen, then make it your life cause and get out there and stir the ****. Create the change. Be the change.

Fact is we have 2 candidates to choose from who can win. Thats the situation we are in. So you need to get real and deal with the situation we are in instead of trying to escape that reality. Choose the best option of the two. When this is over, start your campaign to make **** different. As for now, we have a circumstance where the incumbant President has done possibly the worst job of any president for 4 years now. He needs to be removed. You dont like Romney? Fine. But, could he really do worse than Obama?

You need to decide that and choose one of those 2 men. Reality is that one of them will be our leader for the next 4 years. Writing in RuPaul will have ZERO effect on anything.

I am being the 'change', by not keeping with the status quo of voting for either of two ****ty candidates. I'll be voting for Gary Johnson who'll be on the ballot as the libertarian nominee. I have no illusions about him winning this election, it's hard to project 4 years into the future but I think he has a realistic shot in 2016. If he gets 5-10% of the popular vote, all the better. That, will be the real change.

"The table has tilted folks. The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people . . . white collar, blue collar it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on. Good honest hard-working people continue, these are people of modest means . . . continue to elect these rich cocksuckers who don’t give a **** about you. They don’t give a **** about you . . . they don’t give a **** about you. They don’t care about you at all . . . at all . . . at all, and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. That’s what the owners count on. The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that’s being jammed up their *******s everyday, because the owners of this country know the truth. It’s called the American Dream cause you have to be asleep to believe it". - George Carlin

[JackFinfan]

Yep. If I lived in one of the key swing states I would be kinda stoked. Id be going to the polls with a serious purpose. Getting to go to the poll knowing that your vote for the presidential election actually matters would be pretty cool IMHO. Here its so rare that its close, plus its not worth many electoral votes.


How do you guys feel about the electoral system? Would you rather go to a popular vote count? Would that make it easier to fix the election? What do you guys think about this. For a POFO full of socialists
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you guys are alright ya know. At least you guys have educated opinions on things. I can respect that whether we agree on tree hugging or not.

I think the electoral system could be the # 1 reason for low voter turnout. If I'm a democrat in Alabama or a Republican in California, the only reason I bother to go to the polls is if there's an interesting amendment to vote on. It's kind of sad knowing from day 1 of the primaries that your vote won't matter in the presidential race. I live in Jacksonville, so my vote is pretty important, but if I lived an hour or so north, my vote would be worthless. I don't see how anyone can defend that.

Also, it allows candidates to basically ignore 85% or more of the country when campaigning.