Top 5 DE/OLB for 2013 nfl draft

[datruth55]

No way Moore is that slow and Montgomery is that fast.

[WitheringPlant]

You just copied and pasted Charlie Campbell's rankings on Walter Football without giving them credit or providing a link.


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Order is different, but the commentary is exactly the same.

[bobw999]

Now this is a surprise to me I don't get to watch much College Fb. However whenever I've seen the guy play particularly on the line, hes explosive and gets to the Qb. Watching "Bjoern Werner" I see Jared Odrick...

Are you watching the same Werner? Werner is explosive off the LOS. Odrick should be a DT in a 4-3.

[AthensFin]

Jarvis Jones is the best OLB in the country. To not even have him anywhere on this list is laughable.

[SJSharKFinFan]

I love mingo and werner. would be estatic with either of them as our first round selection...

I totally agree with 2412fanphins if miami takes either one especially werner.

From my perspective these are my top 3 based on each categorical skill-set from the 6 prospects discussed:

Body control(lean), balance, ankle flexion
1. Werner
2. Mingo
3a. Jarvis
3b. Moore

Pass rush repertoire, hand strike, pocket push
1. Mingo
2. Werner
3. Moore

Awareness, play recognition(screens & options)
1. Werner
2. Mingo
3. Jarvis

Destructiveness(TFL), quickness off LOS, closing speed
1. Werner
2. Mingo
3. Jarvis

Shed blocks, POA strength, in-position for tackle
1a. Mingo
1b. Werner
3. Moore

Sam Montgomery would have ranked last in each category based on my assessment.

[ckparrothead]

Every day I'm reminded (and humbled by) just how much people can watch the same video tape and see completely different things. Earlier today was a great example when someone (who is, believe it or not, a pretty intelligent football fan) questioned whether Manti Te'o has the physical skills to be good at the next level. I thought I (or he) was taking crazy pills. Manti Te'o has the wheels and cutback agility of an elite tailback (especially when you take size into account)...he just hasn't always been a guy that stays zeroed in on what the offense is doing from snap to whistle, until this year.

Now I see someone compare Bjoern Werner to Jared Odrick and I'm just thinking to myself...well anyway, I don't need to describe it because it's not my intention to come off sounding mean or critical of anyone's opinion. Jared Odrick was a lengthy-bodied defensive tackle in in Penn State's gap shooting penetration scheme, had some good get-off and pad level for the position (emphasis on the position, defensive tackle), played square and behind his shoulder pads, and fell down too much. Bjoern Werner just doesn't resemble him in any way that I can think of, physically, in style, in scheme or role. That's just a tough one, for me.

It's just weird to me when people don't see a guy that gets off the snap in Bjoern Werner because it's probably the greatest asset in his game. He's very aware and that's a huge asset for him, but let's face it you can draft guys with awareness in any round. You can't necessarily draft a guy who consistently gets off the ball faster than anyone else and that's what Werner does. He'll blow by an offensive tackle like he's standing still. There's a ton of quick twitch in Bjoern Werner's game. Florida State has been experimenting more lately with standing Werner up and moving him a little bit pre-snap, letting him some slack in his rush. Scary results.

My biggest gripes with him are thus:

1. He doesn't always bend and come back to the quarterback. Which by the way is the same criticism you can say about pretty much every pass rusher, ever. It's like criticizing a basketball player because he misses some shots. But nonetheless, there it is.

2. There's this really annoying habit of giving up on the pursuit. I've never seen him take a play off, ever. But I sure as hell have seen him quite a few times go into energy conservation mode during a play when he probably could've pursued more.

[TedSlimmJr]

Anyone questioning Manti Te'o and his athleticism needs to watch him against Michigan where he spied Denard Robinson all game. That entire defense is built around him and what he can do.... and it's the only reason Notre Dame is undefeated and playing for the national title.

He's playing faster than any linebacker I've seen in college since Patrick Willis. He's reading his keys better as a Senior and it's really allowed him to look like there's 3 of him on the field.

[hooshoops]

yeah but teo hadn't created a turnover in college til his senior season if i recall that correctly...just seems odd to me that this year all the sudden he's become this turnover machine...anyways that kids the heart and soul of that notre dame team...although they got some really good college football players on that squad now...

[ckparrothead]

Anyone questioning Manti Te'o and his athleticism needs to watch him against Michigan where he spied Denard Robinson all game. That entire defense is built around him and what he can do.... and it's the only reason Notre Dame is undefeated and playing for the national title.

He's playing faster than any linebacker I've seen in college since Patrick Willis. He's reading his keys better as a Senior and it's really allowed him to look like there's 3 of him on the field.

That's what has stood out to me this year. The improvement is surprising. A year ago between he, Shayne Skov and Luke Kuechly I had him as clearly the most athletically impressive but also the worst of the three overall because he was slow on the read at times and took a lot of wasted steps. None of that this year. Remarkable turnaround in that particular facet of his game. The athleticism (range) and agility (cutback) have always been freakish. Urlacher-like.

[TedSlimmJr]

yeah but teo hadn't created a turnover in college til his senior season if i recall that correctly...just seems odd to me that this year all the sudden he's become this turnover machine...anyways that kids the heart and soul of that notre dame team...although they got some really good college football players on that squad now...

He's forced turnovers, just not interceptions. He forced a fumble against Florida St. last year in the Citrus Bowl that Zeke Motta returned for a touchdown. He forced another one against Michigan his sophomore year.

One of the questions I had about Te'o was pass coverage, which he's improved by leaps and bounds as a Senior. The results of it are the 7 interceptions.