Dansby on Philbin benching Odrick and Wake: "They have to be in the game. Period."

[GasPed]

Fact of the matter is Kevin Coyle is right. On the 8 plays at the end of the game the Patriots were running the ball I think 6 or 7 times with maybe a quick pass thrown in there. Wake wouldn't have been a factor. The miscues were not on Olivier Vernon or Derrick Shelby and Cam Wake wouldn't have factored into those 8 plays even if he was in there.

Jared Odrick is not a guy that has been playing to a level where anyone can just boldly declare that he needs "to be in the game. Period." That's straight up bull ****. Just like it was bull **** how pissed off Karlos Dansby was when Chad OchoCinco got cut. I support his right to speak out but I don't support his having stupid opinions.

Yeah, Wake or Odrick may not have made a difference on that drive, but how was Coyle supposed to know that when he sat them?? The Pats mostly ran it up the gut, but there's no way Coyle said ahead of time "oh, they're just going to run it up the middle, might as well rest my starting DE's". You're giving him way too much credit - yes, his decision to sit them may not have cost us, but that was plain dumb luck, and it sure doesn't make his decision right.

Furthermore, you have it totally backwards in your last sentence - I completely support Dansby's right to have stupid opinions, but what I don't support is his right to speak them in public, especially when they completely contradict his coaches' opinions. That's a surefire way to start a locker room and media firestorm - blasting your coaches' decisions. In fact, in this case, I actually agree with Dansby's viewpoint - we should have our best players out there at that critical time. But spouting off in public is not the way to deal with it - if you have a problem, deal with it behind closed doors, not in the media. That is, unless you think sharing your opinion is more important than the team.
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These are the same people sitting Reggie Bush for Daniel Thomas. Hard to give them a pass on this one.

[Hayden Fox]

After Miami gets bombed on Sunday, it will be a very interesting and crucial three weeks for Coach Philbin to finish strong and have good feelings going into the offseason.

I know, I know. I was stupid for saying that Joe could be losing the locker room. Maybe a better way of saying my point is Joe is losing credibility among the team.

It should be interesting. Mark it down: the Jags game will be a turning point, good or bad, for Coach Philbin.

[ANUFan]

After Miami gets bombed on Sunday, it will be a very interesting and crucial three weeks for Coach Philbin to finish strong and have good feelings going into the offseason.

I know, I know. I was stupid for saying that Joe could be losing the locker room. Maybe a better way of saying my point is Joe is losing credibility among the team.

It should be interesting. Mark it down: the Jags game will be a turning point, good or bad, for Coach Philbin.

Hey, maybe we could get Fisher after the obvious failed Philbin experiment....

[Hayden Fox]

Hey, maybe we could get Fisher after the obvious failed Philbin experiment....

Too late...

btw, Jeff Fisher is 5-6-1 with limited talent, beat the team we are playing this week and the Rams a ton of picks going forward. Say what you want, Jeff Fisher has a good thing going in St. Louis.

Do I think Joe Philbin can be an effective coach...YES! However, he is in a very delicate time in his early part of his career. He must show to be a credible force within the locker room. He cannot be making silly decisions with some of the most respected and talented players on his team.

[TheWarriorFins]

Too late...

btw, Jeff Fisher is 5-6-1 with limited talent, beat the team we are playing this week and the Rams a ton of picks going forward. Say what you want, Jeff Fisher has a good thing going in St. Louis.

Do I think Joe Philbin can be an effective coach...YES! However, he is in a very delicate time in his early part of his career. He must show to be a credible force within the locker room. He cannot be making silly decisions with some of the most respected and talented players on his team.

nothing jef fisher has showed me where I would trade him for philben, and philben as well is working with limited talent. Philben also out coached fisher this year head to head.

[ANUFan]

Too late...

btw, Jeff Fisher is 5-6-1 with limited talent, beat the team we are playing this week and the Rams a ton of picks going forward. Say what you want, Jeff Fisher has a good thing going in St. Louis.

Do I think Joe Philbin can be an effective coach...YES! However, he is in a very delicate time in his early part of his career. He must show to be a credible force within the locker room. He cannot be making silly decisions with some of the most respected and talented players on his team.

I forgot our team is sooo much more talented than theirs...wait!

[Hayden Fox]

nothing jef fisher has showed me where I would trade him for philben, and philben as well is working with limited talent. Philben also out coached fisher this year head to head.

It is a nonfactor to argue...

1) Jeff Fisher was never coming here. I never thought he would come. I loved the idea, but knew it was always about going to the Rams.
2) Jeff Fisher has the world by the berries right now with his set up in St. Louis.
3) Joe did out-coach him in a single game. I agree with you. With that said, is Mike Munchak a better coach than Joe Philbin because he kicked his ass that day?

The focus for us needs to be watching and observing how the best players on this roster are buying into what Joe is selling. I hope he succeeds, I really do, but the proof will be on the coming Sundays.

[ANUFan]

It is a nonfactor to argue...

1) Jeff Fisher was never coming here. I never thought he would come. I loved the idea, but knew it was always about going to the Rams.
2) Jeff Fisher has the world by the berries right now with his set up in St. Louis.
3) Joe did out-coach him in a single game. I agree with you. With that said, is Mike Munchak a better coach than Joe Philbin because he kicked his ass that day?

The focus for us needs to be watching and observing how the best players on this roster are buying into what Joe is selling. I hope he succeeds, I really do, but the proof will be on the coming Sundays.

Let it all out Fox you weren't fooling anyone with your false platitudes for Philbin.

[Hayden Fox]

I forgot our team is sooo much more talented than theirs...wait!

I am really going to argue about Jeff Fisher again...holy ****.

The NFC West is a better division as is the NFC...so his record is more impressive to me.

Folks, Jeff Fisher is considered a better coach than Joe Philbin at this point. Hopefully, in the coming years that script is flipped and Joe is considered the better HC, but please, not at this point.

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How many times in this thread have I said I want Joe Philbin to be an effective coach and be considered BETTER than Fisher.

Perhaps, you could do what I do and call **** as you see it.