Newt Gingrich: If Hillary Clinton Runs In 2016, Republicans 'Incapable Of Competing'

[phins_4_ever]

Yup. I'm just like Statler.
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I've never found your posts particularly interesting or useful -- which I'm pretty sure is the majority opinion around here -- even though our political opinions are both somewhat similar, but now I have a good reason to add you to my ignore list. Congrats.

The PoFo did create a new adverb: Statler. Turn Statler has nothing to do with being Statler. Statler in this case is an adverb which modifies the verb turn.

You don't have to find my posts interesting or useful nor anybody else has to. I am not here to appeal to individual posters but for opinion exchange. But you can't read this since I am on your ignore list.
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Ahhhh, the ignore list, a sorry excuse to not engage in a debate (useful or not).

[irish fin fan]

The PoFo did create a new adverb: Statler. Turn Statler has nothing to do with being Statler. Statler in this case is an adverb which modifies the verb turn.

You don't have to find my posts interesting or useful nor anybody else has to. I am not here to appeal to individual posters but for opinion exchange. But you can't read this since I am on your ignore list.
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Ahhhh, the ignore list, a sorry excuse to not engage in a debate (useful or not).

I find your posts interesting. :-)

Unfortunately when you have people thinking that Romney knows economics, when he changed his position on every issue depending on who he talked to, is alarming. On the other hand we have a president who held the economy together that was at its worst state since the Great Depression counts for nothing of course.

[jared81]

I find your posts interesting. :-)

Unfortunately when you have people thinking that Romney knows economics, when he changed his position on every issue depending on who he talked to, is alarming. On the other hand we have a president who held the economy together that was at its worst state since the Great Depression counts for nothing of course.

so you are suggesting a man who headed a private equity firm that turned companies from broke to profitable (no matter how evil you think that is) doesn't understand economics? On the other hand, Pumping a trillion dollars into the economy for bogus projects doesn't take too much intelligence.

[Locke]

so you are suggesting a man who headed a private equity firm that turned companies from broke to profitable (no matter how evil you think that is) doesn't understand economics? On the other hand, Pumping a trillion dollars into the economy for bogus projects doesn't take too much intelligence.

Making businesses profitable by buying them, gutting them, and moving them overseas isn't being business savvy. That's making a profit at the expense of the American people. It also wasn't a possible fix for our economy...

[irish fin fan]

so you are suggesting a man who headed a private equity firm that turned companies from broke to profitable (no matter how evil you think that is) doesn't understand economics? On the other hand, Pumping a trillion dollars into the economy for bogus projects doesn't take too much intelligence.

Really? Yes, I definitely recall everyone at the time were totally in agreement with the bailouts and there were no objections. Stimulus programs at the time of possible economic collapse? How revolutionary. Get your head of your fox indoctrination program and see what most economists recommended at the time.

This is were Obama can never win. We can never see how bad things could have really been. Just a bunch of Monday morning quarterbacks, like your post, about all the aid that was wasted and the economy would have been fine. How many people said we would never be repaided? It turns out a huge amount of that aid has been repaid. Hell, even AIG has repaid and the government made a profit.

[GoFins!]

About $156,000,000,000 is still outstanding. Most of that is from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Considering the government's track record, only losing 25% seems like a huge success.

The total amount invested in
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and
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so far is$187.5B. They have returned none of the money invested so far—and might never do so.The Treasury has been earning a return on its investments. So far Fannie and Freddie have paid $50.4B in dividends to the Treasury.

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[phins_4_ever]

About $156,000,000,000 is still outstanding. Most of that is from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Considering the government's track record, only losing 25% seems like a huge success.




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All of these numbers actually hurt your cause. Considering that roughly 4 years ago they gave some 600 Billion in bailouts and have already recovered some 400 Billion in less than 4 years is not a bad track record. Faster than anyone would have thought. Give it another 3 years and you are complaining probably that the private industry paid too much money back and that it would be socialism again.
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Fannie and Freddy got some 160 billion in bailout and did not pay anything back? Whoopie. But they paid some 50 Billion in dividends? If this continues then Freddy and Fanny would have paid back in 10 years over 150 Billion in dividends with the original money still outstanding??? This is an investor's dream. Show me one stock, mutual fund, savings or CD where I get my entire investment via dividends back in 10 years and still have my investment placed and continue to receive dividends. Not via value increases but via dividends which is a cash back.

And I am taking your numbers face value right now.

[phins_4_ever]

I find your posts interesting. :-)

Unfortunately when you have people thinking that Romney knows economics, when he changed his position on every issue depending on who he talked to, is alarming. On the other hand we have a president who held the economy together that was at its worst state since the Great Depression counts for nothing of course.

Wasn't sure if I should give a you a 'thanks' or a 'no thanks' to protect you from that vicious 'ignore' crowd.
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Maybe we need a 'Romney Feature' button in the PoFo so we can give Thanks and No Thanks at the same time.
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[jared81]

Really? Yes, I definitely recall everyone at the time were totally in agreement with the bailouts and there were no objections. Stimulus programs at the time of possible economic collapse? How revolutionary. Get your head of your fox indoctrination program and see what most economists recommended at the time.

This is were Obama can never win. We can never see how bad things could have really been. Just a bunch of Monday morning quarterbacks, like your post, about all the aid that was wasted and the economy would have been fine. How many people said we would never be repaided? It turns out a huge amount of that aid has been repaid. Hell, even AIG has repaid and the government made a profit.

i think you are confusing TARP with the american recovery and reinvestment act. read a book and then get back to me.

[jared81]

Making businesses profitable by buying them, gutting them, and moving them overseas isn't being business savvy. That's making a profit at the expense of the American people. It also wasn't a possible fix for our economy...

i dont really believe you actually think thats how private equity works. you are painting a perverted example of an important and positive system of our economy. without private equity small businesses would have the money to start up and big businesses wouldnt have the ability to re-tool. do you have money in the market? if you do, youd better hope there are people like romney out there smart enough to see a struggling business and what it could be.

something obama is not smart enough to ever do, but hey, at least hes black.