The '09 -'11 Jets Elite? Yea or Nay?

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We won 5 of our last 6 games, how is that backing in?

we were one of the last 4 teams standing, last 2 in our conference- that is elite.

When did I say the '07 or '11 NYG teams weren't elite? I said ELI wasn't elite, team vs. individual are 2 different arguments. A guy who threw 25 INts in '10 and has led his team to 1 PO app in the last 4 years is not elite, the elite QBs put up big #s and always have their teams in contention. Maybe every once in a while they miss a postseason but not 3 in 4 years and usually it is b/c of injury.

One of the arguments you've made against Eli being elite in 2011 was that he only led his team to a 9-7 record. The question is, how can a team be elite and win the SB with that record, yet the guy who got them there thanks to 8 4th quarter comebacks not be? I'd agree if the team had carried Eli like the jets defense and running game carried Sanchez in 09, but the 2011 giants defense and running game weren't all that great.

What I saw was a guy putting the team on his back in crunch time numerous times en route to a SB win. Take Eli off of the giants 2011 team and they're not elite. If you admit that team was elite, then the factor that made them so(Eli) must also have been elite.

So in my opinion, the correct way to put it would be that what made that giants team elite was the fact that a certain elite quarterback helped them overcome many obstacles on their way to the promised land. The 2009 jets were only a qb away from winning it all and reaching elite status, I bet if Eli had played on that team they would have won the SB.

So if Eli wasn't elite in 2011, neither were the giants, who rode him to a SB win. If the 2011 9-7 giants weren't elite, then neither were the 2009 jets.