Go on record: YOUR gun control position.

[rob19]

Why enact stricter regulations for background checks? I mean, aren't the people who are denied on the basis of that check just going to get them on the black market? Why do any of this stuff, honestly... if the fact that there won't be an underground is a "fantasy"?

Secondary markets are a good indication I believe of how thriving a black-market might be. In other words, you’re not going to stop these type of gun sales no matter what you do; ban or otherwise. However, I’d like to see as much regulation as possible. There are some states trying to implement solutions to secondary-market problems, & I think that’s a better move than complete deregulation. If more states had some of these laws (& I wish they did), it wouldn't be the problem it currently is.

Now, as for Australia... it's not a perfect example but it's the best one we have. Can you think of another country where gun ownership was fairly prevalent before strict gun control laws (enacted in two big pushes eight years apart, allowing for hard demarcation lines to study the effects) were put in place? The legislation is old enough to have plenty of time to study it's "results" in a fairly comprehensive manner, but not so old the results can be dismissed as from another era.

Seriously, what's a better example? Because it's a cheap conceit to say you need an example of this type of thing working and then say there's no example.

If you say so. I’m simply pointing out there’s far greater demand for guns here than there is in Australia.

So the relative effectiveness of Australia's gun control laws isn't relevant to a discussion of America's gun control laws yet teenagers buying alcohol is? Ok.

You missed the point. I had an easier time buying a number of illegal drugs than I did buying alcohol because those illegal drugs weren't regulated. There’s no black-market for alcohol because it’s legal; there’s no financial incentive in doing so. In the same way, Lanza did have a harder time buying guns legally than he did otherwise. If you create an artificial inflation because of a ban, there’s now a financial incentive for a black-market. It could end up being easier for the mentally insane & criminally convicted to buy guns (especially if there we’re more states with secondary-market laws), than it currently is; & these are the people I want prevented from buying guns, not Bumpus or 9954.

Personally, I believe all the states having secondary-market laws is a much better measure to keep guns out of the mentally imbalanced & criminally convicted’s hands than any ban would. I suppose though we’ll have to agree to disagree.

[ohall]

I am, for not believing I'm Charles Bronson and that life is Death Wish.

Must be nice to live in a world where theres no threat of violence to you and the ones you love. And on top of that, if there is to think a phone call will save you.

Incredible stuff.

[Bumpus]

Must be nice to live in a world where theres no threat of violence to you and the ones you love. And on top of that, if there is to think a phone call will save you.

Incredible stuff.

Yep, because as we all know - When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
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[PhinzN703]

We all need to pay attention ... it's starting now. This is the new gun control bill led by California Senator Dianne Feinstein:


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This is nothing more than an attempted "1st step"

The Senator has been very forthcoming on her designs:



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So 1 person is the entire government? I'd see it being ****ed if 1 person had the ultimate power and made every decision in the country on their own but **** like that won't ever happen.

[PhinzN703]

Must be nice to live in a world where theres no threat of violence to you and the ones you love. And on top of that, if there is to think a phone call will save you.

Incredible stuff.

What happens when someone breaks into your house while you're in the shower? Is your shower head a pistol? What if you're asleep and don't hear someone coming in? What if you're in your house in the opposite of where your gun is and a thief breaks into the room you're currently in?

I'm not against having weapons but let's not act like they're saviors to any ******* that tries to get you.

[Bumpus]

So 1 person is the entire government? I'd see it being ****ed if 1 person had the ultimate power and made every decision in the country on their own but **** like that won't ever happen.

Absolutely not. However, she's the one who keeps introducing these gun control bills that get voted on. So, she most certainly has a HUGE influence on policy.

Make no mistake, Senator Feinstein wants our guns. She thinks we're irresponsible children that need to be protected from ourselves.

[Bumpus]

What happens when someone breaks into your house while you're in the shower? Is your shower head a pistol? What if you're asleep and don't hear someone coming in? What if you're in your house in the opposite of where your gun is and a thief breaks into the room you're currently in?

I'm not against having weapons but let's not act like they're saviors to any ******* that tries to get you.

Ahh ... Now these are very valid points.
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My answer to those questions is: I have a vocal dog. Good 'ol Csonka alerts me every time someone so much as walks down my sidewalk. Whenever I've got guests coming over, Zonk let's me know they're here at least 30 seconds before they get to the door.

I also have loaded weapons safely concealed in more than one location in my home.



But, those concerns you brought up are definately valid & they're something I've spent time thinking about.

Not only is gun ownership a right, it's one helluva responsibility and it's not something that should ever be taken lightly.

[tylerdolphin]

Ahh ... Now these are very valid points.
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My answer to those questions is: I have a vocal dog. Good 'ol Csonka alerts me every time someone so much as walks down my sidewalk. Whenever I've got guests coming over, Zonk let's me know they're here at least 30 seconds before they get to the door.

I also have loaded weapons safely concealed in more than one location in my home.



But, those concerns you brought up are definately valid & they're something I've spent time thinking about.

Not only is gun ownership a right, it's one helluva responsibility and it's not something that should ever be taken lightly.

Youre single so its OK to have concealed, loaded weapons around the house. No woman to flip out and shoot you. No kids to accidentally or intentionally do something stupid. IMO having loaded guns in the home is a different ball game when theres a family involved. I think at that point it just becomes a bit counterproductive to have loaded guns laying around. Especially with young kids involved, there really shouldnt be a way for them to access a loaded gun.

[Bumpus]

Youre single so its OK to have concealed, loaded weapons around the house. No woman to flip out and shoot you. No kids to accidentally or intentionally do something stupid. IMO having loaded guns in the home is a different ball game when theres a family involved. I think at that point it just becomes a bit counterproductive to have loaded guns laying around. Especially with young kids involved, there really shouldnt be a way for them to access a loaded gun.

Agreed.

However, that doesn't mean there aren't ways around that. Specifically, there are relatively inexpensive small, mainly flat safes that only require a three or four digit combination in order to quickly access your gun in an emergency. These can easily e placed even in high traffic areas of your home.

[El Scorcho]

Apart from the armed forces, police officers and maybe farmers who need a quick and humane way of killing injured livestock, no ordinary citizen needs a gun for any reason.

There is no good reason to have one.

If nobody had guns but the people that actually require them to do their day to day work, thousands and thousands less people would die every year.