Rumor: Fins Hoping to Reunite Tanny and Swope

[TrinidadDolfan]

Stedman Bailey is the man. No doubt.

[ckparrothead]

It should be noted there is absolutely nothing in that article whatsoever justifying the article title: "NFL Rumors: Miami Dolphins Will Look To Reunite Ryan Swope With Ryan Tannehill"

It's click-engineering journalism at its absolute finest. Pure garbage.

[TheWalrus]

i agree not a win guy on the boundary...so i don't think the he's better than hartline stuff earlier in this thread makes a lot of sense there...but lets say he does run low 4.5's or 4.5 flat i'll be shocked if a slot wr who measures out at 6 ft with that kind of production and damn good speed for the inside last til the 5th round...really dumbfounded...

Are 6ft guys who run in the 4.5s all that uncommon? Seems like there's a bucket full of those guys every year. BJ Cunningham and Rishard Matthews both fit that profile and were taken in the 6th and 7th rounds. And anyway is there a confirmation that Swope is a full 6ft. 206? He always struck me as sort of a boxy 5'10 guy, but I guess I could be wrong.

he's the prototype slot wr for this offense and plays very smart...which philbin is huge on...and you need in this system...only thing that keeps him out of say tavon austin level grade is austin has explosive rediculous acceleration and straight line speed plus serious shake and bake and home run hitting ability...that and the specials return he offers...and thats why he's getting a lot of late round 1 buzz these days

Oh, is that all?
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That stuff makes a huge deal, at least to me. This offense already has "skilled" guys to move the ball between the 20s. We need guys who can put the ball in the end zone, and that's not what spending a third round pick on Swope is going to get me.

as far as i'm concerned as a true slot swope should be the 2nd guys name taken off the board come april...

Perhaps. But "true slot" guys have limited value, at least to me. They didn't have one in Green Bay when Philbin was there either until they took Cobb, and he's much closer to Tavon Austin than Ryan Swope. Green Bay used outside win guys on the inside, which is what you should be looking for. You don't want a defense to know exactly where everyone's going to line up when you bring in a particular personnel grouping, but a guy like Swope does that just like Bess does. His limitations force the offense to be more predictable, which allows the defense to dictate more than you should let them. We had the same problem with Bess and Brandon Marshall. Every team knew exactly where those guys were going to line up, because even if the Dolphins broke their habit and put Bess on the outside, he was basically being neutralized by the formation rather than the defense. It's like tying your arm behind your back.

I'd much rather spend an earlier pick on Stedman Bailey and get a truly threatening slot guy who can also win on the outside. You get a guy like that now you're dictating to the defense. That's worth more than the extra resource you have to spend to get him, imo.

[miamiron]

I'd love to reunite Hartline with the end zone

[Wildbill3]

Are 6ft guys who run in the 4.5s all that uncommon? Seems like there's a bucket full of those guys every year. BJ Cunningham and Rishard Matthews both fit that profile and were taken in the 6th and 7th rounds. And anyway is there a confirmation that Swope is a full 6ft. 206? He always struck me as sort of a boxy 5'10 guy, but I guess I could be wrong.



Oh, is that all?
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That stuff makes a huge deal, at least to me. This offense already has "skilled" guys to move the ball between the 20s. We need guys who can put the ball in the end zone, and that's not what spending a third round pick on Swope is going to get me.



Perhaps. But "true slot" guys have limited value, at least to me. They didn't have one in Green Bay when Philbin was there either until they took Cobb, and he's much closer to Tavon Austin than Ryan Swope. Green Bay used outside win guys on the inside, which is what you should be looking for. You don't want a defense to know exactly where everyone's going to line up when you bring in a particular personnel grouping, but a guy like Swope does that just like Bess does. His limitations force the offense to be more predictable, which allows the defense to dictate more than you should let them. We had the same problem with Bess and Brandon Marshall. Every team knew exactly where those guys were going to line up, because even if the Dolphins broke their habit and put Bess on the outside, he was basically being neutralized by the formation rather than the defense. It's like tying your arm behind your back.

I'd much rather spend an earlier pick on Stedman Bailey and get a truly threatening slot guy who can also win on the outside. You get a guy like that now you're dictating to the defense. That's worth more than the extra resource you have to spend to get him, imo.

6ft 205 4.5 40 would be right in the range of what Green Bay targets

[ckparrothead]

6ft 205 4.5 40 would be right in the range of what Green Bay targets

The size would be but if you really go back through their draft history, the speed is not.

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

6ft 205 4.5 40 would be right in the range of what Green Bay targets

Who had the break out year, and was a exception to the above rule?

[mmikel30]

I think swope is awesome! great fit ...knows the offense.

[MrEd]

What's the problem, Swope is a bigger, stronger version of Wes Welker and Davone Bess with longer speed. He is an upgrade over Marlon Moore and Armon Binns. Grabbing Swope with our latter 3rd round pick would be ideal, but we may have to snatch him up with our early 3rd pick.

And don't worry, I'm sure we are going to either acquire one of the big FA Wrs (Jennings, Wallace, or Bowe) and/or draft a first-round talent WR; I'm hoping its Cordarelle Patterson, that guy is a PLAYMAKER and future stud in the NFL.

We currently have 7 WRs on our roster. Brian Hartline (if we re-sign him), Davone Bess, Armon Binns, Jeff Fuller, Rishard Matthews, Marlon Moore, and Brian Tyms.

This is what I would like to see on our roster look like after the FA/Draft for WRs:

Greg Jennings, Cordarelle Patterson, Davone Bess, Ryan Swope, Rishard Matthews, Jeff Fuller, Armon Binns (1st yr WR needs a longer look), and Brian Tyms (deep speed practice Squad WR). This unit not only improves our speed significantly but also mixes in some pretty good possession WRs.

If we do sign of the big FA WR, there is no need to re-sign Brian Hartline for $6 mil a year to be our #2 when Patterson would be more effective for less money. If we did re-sign Hartline, Patterson would take the job out right before October ends so it makes no sense to me. Don't get me wrong, I like Hartline, he plays hard but we need playmakers who score TDs, and once we sign a big FA WR, there is no need to speed more money on a #2 when we can grab a really good WR in the draft.

Spot on analysis. And in such a scenario maybe if Tyms or one of Binns or Matthews or Swope stand out, we can see Bess traded before the season starts.

[hooshoops]

a true slot that runs a 4.5 is absolutely fast...i don't know that wes welker runs a 4.5 flat...and he's much smaller than swope who was measured at the combine at 6 ft and 206 lbs...that's a big darn slot...i don't think he's necessarily what green bay looks for that would seem to be more the quinton patton type to me wr but i do think that a slot is a big part of shermans offense and a big part of what we want to do going forward and if this kid runs a 4.5 flat at that size and with that production already on his resume a team that goes to a lot of 3 wr sets with a true slot should covet him...and i also think swopes the kind of team first guy and lockerroom influence that philbin would covet...

as for the "is that all" comment from walrus ha ha i knew that was coming...i get it austin offers the explosion plays and can get you in the endzone a variety of ways thus he's more coveted and in turn will come off the board first but for a bang for your buck draft pick if you employ a true slot wr in your offense i think swope will deliver and give you the return that validates the pick...and at 4.5 flat he would have the speed to do things down the seam in the slot against slot corners and with that height he'd also be a lot harder than most slots to overthrow

austins stock is also higher cause he's a return specialist...we don't need one of them...thigpen did that job just fine...i'll take the true slot with the great size who fits the o like a glove and has better wheels than we currently have at the position and be damn happy bout it

finally the jordy nelson ryan swope comparisons are WAY WAY off...they're not close to the same player...one wiins with his strength and his ability to go up and highpoint the football down the field and the other wins with his short area quickness and hips and his ability to cross a defenders face and separate...