A Metrics Breakdown of Patterson, Allen, Hopkins and Bailey

[Twitches Brew]

Wow, ck, that list is telling.

And just wanted to say that this is one of the best FH threads I've read in a long while.
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[xXwarXx]

Like Patterson or not, I cant see philbin signing off on a guy who catches with his body. Even if you look at the last two WRs we drafted, the one thing that stood out is they catch with there hands and lock the ball up quickly.

Catching is a big part for philbins mold for WRs, even jordy Nelson couldn't get on the field for awhile because he was dropping it in practice.

IMO that will be deciding factor in not drafting Patterson. Especially with the amount of timing patters along the way tannehill really rips it, ball skills are incredibly important in this offense.

[ckparrothead]

He only catches with his body when he needs to shield the ball from a defender. He's got very good natural hands and catches the football away from his body extremely well.

[Chubby]

But is Wheaton a realistic option for the Fins? Wouldnt the fins still need to find a #1 WR for Wheaton to compliment or are you thinking Wheaton alone can dominate our WR Core?
Chubbs

[rembrandt]

This is pretty informative. Thanks for the excellent post. I am leaning towards the raw talent of Patterson at the moment.

[ckparrothead]

But is Wheaton a realistic option for the Fins? Wouldnt the fins still need to find a #1 WR for Wheaton to compliment or are you thinking Wheaton alone can dominate our WR Core?
Chubbs

People are too caught up in labels. If Markus Wheaton is Santonio Holmes with DeSean Jackson's long speed then you're damn thankful you have him and I don't give two ****s about whether someone in the media labels him #1, #2 or #45.

[Chubby]

People are too caught up in labels. If Markus Wheaton is Santonio Holmes with DeSean Jackson's long speed then you're damn thankful you have him and I don't give two ****s about whether someone in the media labels him #1, #2 or #45.

Touché

[xXwarXx]

He only catches with his body when he needs to shield the ball from a defender. He's got very good natural hands and catches the football away from his body extremely well.

I know your a Patterson fan, and that's cool, but I strongly disagree that he has very good natural hands. It's why IMO, he constantly had 2-3 catches/ game. Qb and coordinators didn't trust his hands.

[isaacjunk]

Ouch! Thanks for that list.....I'm guessing trades have been more successful.....A la Brandon Marshall to the bears. I realize though that then you are investing picks and big money bc no one let's star players go in their rookie contract, but could it still be worth it for a much lower bust rate over drafting?

[QUOTE=ckparrothead;1064577512]

I don't know about comprehensive study which incorporates dollar amounts and takes account of production...but here's a list I drew up of notable to semi-notable wide receivers that have had their contracts expire and then switched teams in free agency since 2008.

I warn you, it's not pretty...


Wastes of Time & Resources
2008: Sam Aiken from Buffalo to New England
2008: Bernard Berrian from Chicago to Minnesota
2008: Marty Booker from Miami to Chicago
2008: Bryant Johnson from Arizona to San Francisco
2008: Eddie Kennison from Kansas City to St. Louis
2008: Ashley Lelie from San Francisco to Oakland
2008: Brandon Lloyd from Washington to Chicago
2008: Justin McCareins from New York Jets to Tennessee
2008: Jerry Porter from Oakland to Jacksonville
2008: Koren Robinson from Green Bay to Seattle
2008: Donte Stallworth from New England to Cleveland
2008: Javon Walker from Denver to Oakland
2009: Hank Baskett from Philadelphia to Indianapolis
2009: Laveranues Coles from New York Jets to Cincinnati
2009: Mike Furrey from Detroit to Cleveland
2009: Joey Galloway from Tampa Bay to Pittsburgh
2009: Torry Holt from St. Louis to Jacksonville
2009: T.J. Houshmandzadeh from Cincinnati to Seattle
2009: Bryant Johnson from San Francisco to Detroit
2009: Terrell Owens from Dallas to Buffalo
2009: Kelley Washington from New England to Baltimore
2009: Roydell Williams from Tennessee to Washington
2010: Arnaz Battle from San Francisco to Pittsburgh
2010: Antonio Bryant from Tampa Bay to Cincinnati
2010: Nate Burleson from Seattle to Detroit
2010: Mike Furrey from Cleveland to Washington
2010: Joey Galloway from Pittsburgh to Washington
2010: Jason Hill from San Francisco to Jacksonville
2010: T.J. Houshmandzadeh from Seattle to Baltimore
2010: Matt Jones from Jacksonville to Cincinnati
2010: Randy Moss from Minnesota to Tennessee
2010: Antwaan Randle El from Washington to Pittsburgh
2010: Josh Reed from Buffalo to San Diego
2010: Devin Thomas from Carolina to New York Giants
2010: Jerheme Urban from Arizona to Kansas City
2010: Bobby Wade from Kansas City to Washington
2010: Demetrius Williams from Baltimore to Cleveland
2011: Seyi Ajirotutu from San Diego to Carolina
2011: Devin Aromashodu from Chicago to Minnesota
2011: Donnie Avery from St. Louis to Tennessee
2011: Steve Breaston from Arizona to Kansas City
2011: Plaxico Burress from New York Giants to New York Jets
2011: Jericho Cotchery from New York Jets to Pittsburgh Steelers
2011: Craig "Buster" Davis from San Diego to Buffalo
2011: Braylon Edwards from New York Jets to San Francisco
2011: James Hardy from Buffalo to Baltimore
2011: Johnnie Lee Higgins from Oakland to Philadelphia
2011: T.J. Houshmandzadeh from Baltimore to Oakland
2011: Michael Jenkins from Atlanta to Minnesota
2011: Bryant Johnson from Detroit to Houston
2011: Sinorice Moss from New York Giants to Philadelphia
2011: Legedu Naanee from San Diego to Carolina
2011: Taylor Price from New England to Jacksonville
2011: Mike Sims-Walker from St. Louis to Jacksonville
2011: Brad Smith from New York Jets to Buffalo
2011: Steve E. Smith from New York Giants to Philadelphia
2011: Brandon Tate from New England to Cincinnati
2011: Roy Williams from Dallas to Chicago
2012: Seyi Ajirotutu from Carolina to San Diego
2012: Plaxico Burress from New York Jets to Pittsburgh
2012: Andre Caldwell from Cincinnati to Denver
2012: Braylon Edwards from San Francisco to Seattle
2012: Braylon Edwards from Seattle to New York Jets
2012: Clyde Gates from Miami to New York Jets
2012: Robert Meachem from New Orleans to San Diego
2012: Carlton Mitchell from Cleveland to Jacksonville
2012: Josh Morgan from San Francisco to Jacksonville
2012: Laurent Robinson from Dallas to Jacksonville
2012: Brian Robiskie from Jacksonville to Detroit
2012: Eddie Royal from Denver to San Diego
2012: Greg Salas from New England to Philadelphia
2012: Dane Sanzenbacher from Chicago to Cincinnati
2012: Chaz Schilens from Oakland to New York Jets
2012: Jordan Shipley from Tampa Bay to Jacksonville
2012: Jerome Simpson from Cincinnati to Minnesota
2012: Steve E. Smith from Philadelphis to St. Louis
2012: Mike Thomas from Jacksonville to Detroit

Mixed Success Relative to Price
2008: Isaac Bruce from St. Louis to San Francisco
2008: Antonio Bryant from Dallas to Tampa Bay
2008: Muhsin Muhammad from Chicago to Carolina
2009: Jabar Gaffney from New England to Denver
2009: Brandon Lloyd from Chicago to Denver
2010: Terrell Owens from Buffalo to Cincinnati
2011: Sidney Rice from Minnesota to Seattle
2012: Danario Alexander from St. Louis to San Diego
2012: Donnie Avery from Tennessee to Indianapolis
2012: Pierre Garcon from Indianapolis to Washington
2012: Trindon Holliday from Houston to Denver
2012: Jacoby Jones from Houston to Baltimore
2012: Brandon Lloyd from St. Louis to New England
2012: Mario Manningham from New York Giants to San Francisco
2012: Brandon Stokley from New York Giants to Denver Broncos

Undeniably Successful Signings
2009: Nate Washington from Pittsburgh to Tennessee
2012: Vincent Jackson from San Diego to Tampa Bay

[Fin Thirteen]

Nitpicking, but Danario Alexander was undeniably successful for the Bolts based on what he cost. You could make an argument that Sydney Rice should be in the last group too, but I can also buy your take on it.