#15 Overall -- Bruce Irvin / OLB / West Virginia
I had Irvin as the #3 4-3 outside linebacker on my board and #1 3-4 outside linebacker, and had a top 40 grade on him. I was surprised to see him go with the 15th overall pick, but not as surprised as most. I've said several times that there's typically only one elite pass rusher in any draft with this type of athletic ability, speed, and COD skills that Irvin brings, and teams tend to take notice. This is one of the 5 best athletes in the draft regardless of position. Won't contribute much on 1st and 2nd down as a run defender in the stack-and-shed mold, but should contribute immediately as a situational pass rusher. Elite first step, quickness, speed, athletic abilty, and change of direction skills. Questionable football IQ, and has some background issues that teams had to sift through. Aldon Smith justified his draft selection as a situational pass rusher as a rookie for the 49ers last year, and I think Irvin could have that type of impact for the Seahawks. I like this pick more than most. Grade: B-
#47 Overall -- Bobby Wagner / LB / Utah St.
I left Wagner off my draft board because I don't like his instincts or lack of ability close to the line of scrimmage. A pure chase linebacker who racks up tackles that are for the most part, meaningless. Not a fan of this pick. Grade: D
#75 Overall -- Russell Wilson / QB / Wisconsin
#11 quarterback on my board and 5th round grade. His success depends largely on the system he's placed in, but there's no question he has a little more to offer than several of the QB's in this class who have prototypical height. Elite intangibles. Great character. Mature kid. Seattle reached for him a little early here. Grade: C+
#106 Overall -- Robert Turbin / RB / Utah St.
#3 feature back on my board who I had a late 2nd/early 3rd round grade on. One of the strongest players in college football. Matched Doug Martin's 28 reps for the most by a RB at this year's combine. Incredibly productive runner with rare size/speed ratio. Runs with good pad level, gets yards after contact, and can run away from you if he gets in the open field. Seahawks get a steal here in the 4th round. Grade: A-
#114 Overall -- Jaye Howard / DT / Florida
Howard was the #20 defensive tackle, and #8 3-4 defensive end on my board should he draw interest from teams that use a 30 front. I had a 6th round grade on him and didn't think he warranted going quite this high. Little bit of a reach here. Grade: C-
#154 Overall -- Korey Toomer / ILB / Idaho
I didn't scout this player and will defer to the Seahawks on this selection.
#172 Overall -- Jeremy Lane / CB / Northwestern St.
#181 Overall -- Winston Guy / S / Kentucky
#11 safety on my board who I had given a late 4th round grade. Seahawks get tremendous value here for a rugged SEC defender with eventual starter qualities. Guy was always an underrated defender on one of the least talented teams in the SEC. Reminds me of Yeremiah Bell. Grade: B-
#225 Overall -- J.R. Sweezy / DT-DE / N. C. State
#12 defensive tackle on my board and #4 defensive end in a 3-4 front. Productive at N.C. State and tested well athletically at the combine. His tape matches his specs and workout numbers. Solid pick here this late. I had him higher than Jaye Howard who they took about 110 picks earlier. Grade: B-
#232 Overall -- Greg Scruggs / DE / Louisville
See Lane and Toomer above.
:lol: Okay. Feel free to explain how those elite talents on Indy couldn't get that team to more than 2 wins. For example, explain how Tamme went from a TE with over 600 receiving yards with Manning to just over 150 in one year without, or how Dallas Clark went from about 50-60 yards per game to 30 in the year without Manning. Talk about elite. Reggie Wayne had his first sub-1000 yard season. Matter of fact, Garcon appears to be the only one that benefited from not having Manning spreading the ball around, though that didn't help him hit the 1000 yard mark last season.
Originally Posted by MarshallFin1
And please explain how those players I mentioned on Denver's offense don't qualify as "weapons." I sure hope you're not one of the few that are touting our receiving corps as anything special... Again, assuming Manning is healthy, that passing game will be fine.
#23 Overall -- Riley Reiff / OT / Iowa
Reiff was the #4 offensive tackle on my board had a mid-2nd round grade. Never did I subscribe to the theory that this kid was top 10 worthy. I've seen him struggle too many instances in pass protection, and get knocked flat on his butt when getting out to the second level in the run game by a linebacker giving up 80 pounds to him. He's a good tackle in a rather weak class, but not an elite player by any stretch. Can start bending a little too much from the waist late in games. Should start at some point for Detroit, but even a reach here in the 20's in my opinion. Grade: C+
#54 Overall -- Ryan Broyles / WR / Oklahoma
The #1 slot receiver on my board who I think could also eventually make a decent 1a option in the right offense. I had a late 1st round grade on him healthy, and an early 2nd round grade on him even after his collegiate career came to an end due to a knee injury. If his reps on the bench didn't already give away his work ethic, his ability to run and run well this soon after sustaining the injury should've confirmed it. NCAA record holder for receptions. Landry Jones completely went in the tank when Broyles went down, and so did Oklahoma's season. High character, hard working kid with rare skills as a route runner and returner. Great hands. I was hoping he'd last long enough for Miami to take him with their first 3rd rounder. I should've known better. Grade: A
#85 Overall -- Dwight Bentley / CB / UL-Lafayette
#10 cornerback on my board who I had given a late 3rd round grade. A little undersized, but plays with the heart of a lion. High school teammate of Janoris Jenkins and shares a similar skillset, although does have some issues downfield in coverage....unlike Jenkins. Effective blitzer in an exotic scheme and requisite ball skills to become a contributor soon in the Lions' secondary. I've actually spoken to a coach on the Cajuns' staff who I've known for years and comes from my hometown, who believes Bentley is the best defensive player he's ever been around. Grade: B+
#125 Overall -- Ronnell Lewis / OLB / Oklahoma
I had a 3rd round grade on Lewis and had him as my #7 4-3/3-4 outside linebacker. Great value to get him a round later. Lewis slid a little bit due to academic ineligibility issues. I thought he played out of position lined up at DE for the Sooners, but he still produced. Incredibly strong and athletic with a non-stop motor. He was on my underrated underclassman list in the thread I made back in the summer. Grade: B-
#138 Overall -- Tahir Whitehead / OLB / Temple
My #11 4-3 outside linebacker who I had a 5th round grade on. One of the keys to a stout Temple defense the past few seasons. Improved his draft stock throughout the process. Should contribute in some capacity for Detroit. Grade: C+
#148 Overall -- Chris Greenwood / CB / Albion
I did not scout this player and will defer to the Lions.
#196 Overall -- Jonte Green / CB / New Mexico St.
#223 Overall -- Travis Lewis / OLB / Oklahoma
Not impressed with Lewis and didn't make my draft board. Grade: D-
Green Bay Packers
#28 Overall -- Nick Perry / DE / USC
Packers get the #1 4-3 defensive end on my board here with the 28th pick. I had a top 15 grade on Perry, I thought the Packers got excellent value here, along with an elite pass rusher. Off the charts lower body explosion, which is the common denominator of all elite pass rushers. Can bend and run the arc reminiscent of Brian Orakpo at that size. Top notch worker and fantastic upper body strength. Interviewed extremely well according to teams who talked to him. Picks like this are why the Packers sustain success. Grade: A
#51 Overall -- Jerel Worthy / DT / Michigan St.
The #2 defensive tackle on my board behind Fletcher Cox, and I had given Worthy a late 1st round grade. Unblockable is what he is when he makes his mind up that he's going to make a play in the backfield, and there's not a darn thing anybody can do about it. Doesn't play with that level of intensity on every snap, which is odd. Just an absolute wrecking ball of destruction when he gets his juices going. Packers can afford to just sit and let the best talent drop to them again and again... Grade: A-
#62 Overall -- Casey Hayward / CB / Vanderbilt
...and again. Hayward was my #4 cornerback and had a late 2nd round grade on him. Leader of a very underrated Vanderbilt defense, and killed many drives with his 13 INT's and 21 PBU's over the past 2 seasons. More of a zone type corner, doesn't have the elite man-to-man skills of Claiborne or Janoris Jenkins.... but probably a more reliable tackler than either. Won't allow himself to be out-hustled in the SEC against superior opponents. Obviously an intelligent Vandy kid, but his football IQ also fits right in with the Packers on defense. Grade: B+
#132 Overall -- Mike Daniels / DT / Iowa
Daniels didn't make my draft board. Undersized and wasn't productive. Puzzling pick here. Grade: D-
#133 Overall -- Jerron McMillian / S / Maine
Didn't scout this player and will defer to the Packers.
#163 Overall -- Terrell Manning / OLB / N.C. State
I didn't have Manning on my draft board and felt it a curious decision to enter the draft early. Grade: C-
#241 Overall -- Andrew Datko / OT / Florida St.
Wasn't on my draft board due to major medical red flags, and wasn't extremely impressed with his effort against Oklahoma DE Frank Alexander even when he was healthy. Probably worth this late of a draft pick for the Packers. Grade: C
#245 Overall -- B.J. Coleman / QB / UT-Chattanooga
#8 quarterback on my board who I had a late 4th/early 5th round grade on. I have some issues with his pocket presence, and always appeared overmatched against top notch competiton...(i.e. Alabama, Auburn, Nebraska, etc.) although some of that is the team around him. The physical tools are there, they just need further development, and there's no better place for him to get it than in Green Bay. Looked good at the East-West Shrine Game. I thought he'd go earlier. Packers will probably develope him for a few seasons and trade him for a 3rd round pick. Grade: B
#4 Overall -- Matt Kalil / OT / USC
#1 offensive tackle on my board and had a top 15 grade on Kalil, but not top 5. Vikings had a need here and get the top tackle in the draft by trading down and acquiring more picks. Can look like an average college lineman for series at a time due to lack of effort and attempts to skate by on athletic ability. Should be a borderline pro-bowl caliber left tackle if he plays with consistent effort and shores up some technique issues. Also blocks kicks for the Trojans. Not as good of a prospect as former teammate and USC right tackle Tyron Smith in my opinion. Grade: B+
#29 Overall -- Harrison Smith / S / Notre Dame
I had a 3rd round grade on Smith and rated the #5 safety on my board. Looked outstanding in DB drills at the combine and has natural coverage ability. However, it's the tackling that concerns me. I thought the Vikings reached here by about 35 picks to secure the next best safety on their board. Grade: C
#66 Overall -- Josh Robinson / CB / UCF
#15 cornerback on my board who I gave a late 3rd round grade. Blazed a fantastic 40 and it really helped him. The speed is evident on tape, but technique playing the CB position is very inconsistent. Did a decent job of holding A.J. Green in check during the Liberty Bowl in 2010. Does appear to have some stiffness in his hips which dinged his grade to me. Reached a little on Robinson's upside here, but having a deep and talented group of corners is a necessity. Grade: B-
#118 Overall -- Jarius Wright / WR / Arkansas
Solid pick. I had a 3rd round grade on Wright and rated him my #4 slot receiver. I can count the receivers in this draft that run routes the quality of this kid's on one hand. Vikings get good value here and a player who should make the roster and contribute fairly soon in multiple WR sets. Grade: B+
#128 Overall -- Rhett Ellison / ? / USC
Wasn't on my draft board and didn't have a true position at USC. I have a difficult time understanding what his position will be in the NFL. Strange pick here. Grade: F
#134 Overall -- Greg Childs / WR / Arkansas
One of my personal favorite receivers in this draft. Would've like to see Miami grab him in the 4th round but it didn't materialize. My #7 overall wide receiver with 1a potential at the next level. Wasn't healthy during the season after suffering a season ending knee injury in 2010, and I could tell it. I had a top 75 overall grade on him prior to the injury. I think he's in the same class as WR's Rueben Randle and Alshon Jeffery. Attacks the football and doesn't wait for it, goes and gets it. Runs through the ball on slant routes and shows the ability to pick up yards after the catch. You don't find many receivers 6'3", 220 pounds with 4.4 speed that play to their specs at this point in the draft. Vikings got themselves a steal here. Grade: A-
#139 Overall -- Robert Blanton / CB / Notre Dame
Wasn't on my draft board. Grade: D
#175 Overall -- Blair Walsh / K / Georgia
I don't scout kickers.
#210 Overall -- Audie Cole / ILB / N.C. State
Cole didn't make it on my draft board. Odd build for an inside linebacker and looks more like a DE trying to play linebacker. Height causes him have trouble breaking down in the open field and short arms causes him to whiff a lot of tackles he should make. One of the more overhyped LB's in this class that I never really understood the hype. Grade: D
#219 Overall -- Trevor Guyton / DE / Cal
#22 defensive end on my board and barely gave him a draftable grade. Apparently league feels similarly. Worth a shot this late. Grade: C-
If you want to talk numbers, i suggest talking to a mathematics teacher but if you want to talk football, lets get to it. Those weapons your talking about that had bad seasons when manning went down is not a surprise that they had bad seasons when manning went down. Weapons are only weapons when they have someone delivering the package on time and fast. Look at henne and marshall, they sucked together cause henne could not deliver, while marshall is a probowl wr he had no one to deliver the package to him and he confirmed that in the probowl after his probowl perforamance throwing henne under the bus. Denver offense has weapons? really?? did you not hear skip bayless on espn first take several times in the playoffs going ham on denver crap WRs???? lol there hole offense stinks and somehow tebow was able to do good with there crap weapons. They have a good TE but other than that, NOTHING. Manning is in for a wake up call that he is not god and he cannot win by himself.
Originally Posted by Gonzo
first of all, well done slimm! talk about one hell of an undertaking and a pleasure to read.
So you mean you aren't subscribed to the newest fan club... "The WCO makes elite receivers... we dont need anymore" lol
Originally Posted by Gonzo
Marshall still managed to put up the numbers despite Henne sucking and dropping a couple TDs. And did you just reference Skip Bayless in defense of your opinion? :lol: Oh, man. I thought you wanted to talk football?
Originally Posted by MarshallFin1
And Tebow? Dear god. Actually, he's a perfect example of the effect a good QB has on the rest of the offense vs. what a **** QB does with it. Manning or any other GREAT QB isn't going to turn a **** WR into a HOFer. He will, however, bring their game up to the next level, if only as an illusion. A mediocre WR/TE will suddenly look good (Tamme, Collie, etc.). A **** QB can never do that. Hell, a mediocre QB can't do that. Manning has mediocre to decent WRs and TEs on that team. This year they're suddenly going to appear to have taken it to the next level, with at least one of them getting a pro bowl nod for what Manning brings (again, assuming Manning stays healthy). Mark it down.
WCO solves all problems. Don't need good WRs, hell, you don't even need 11 players on the field. It's strange that more teams don't switch to it, because it seems a lot easier. No talent needed.
Originally Posted by damanref10
That guy Walsh has tricked us all....
Originally Posted by Gonzo