I would agree totally with your WR list (well, the first 4 rounds - after that I haven't looked at a lot of guys)
Vance McDonald drops the ball way too much for the love he's getting, imo.
I like Gragg too, as I've posted before. While he's a better blocker than Clay - better all-round player, I doubt we would be tempted unless we maybe offloaded Clay for a low pick.
Yea, those position drills impressed me. I had not watched much BYU. After seeing the way he dominated those drills and looked so fluid and natural doing so, I went back and watched some BYU footage. This kid impresses me. I try to stay away from highlight footage for obvious reasons. I like watching straight up game play instead.
Originally Posted by TedSlimmJr
Im starting to think more and more this is who I would take at 12 if he fell to us. Ive become really impressed with Keenan Allen the last couple of weeks because he seems like such a pure route runner and is very physical for his size. I would not complain about adding a WR at 12, but it has seemed like a reach to do so the whole time. I think thats a deep position in this draft and with Bailey likely to be on the board in the 2nd or 3rd round, Id like to get a DE or DB at 12. However DB seems pretty deep in this draft as well.
Just the fact that this kid has not played as much football as other prospects makes it even more tempting. If he continues to get better drafting him could mean having one of the best DEs in the league for many years.
I think most had him top 5 or so last year (Barkley)...I doubt he'll go top ten now, which is what I was referring too. Many on this site wanted us to bypass Tannehill to "Bite for Barkley" this year...I'm glad we didn't.
Originally Posted by TedSlimmJr
I don't see Ertz slipping to round 3 in today's NFL, the demand for tight ends has never been higher.
Originally Posted by WVDolphan
It's the physicality that Ansah plays with despite being new to football that I perceive to be a little rare. Pierre-Paul was raw and new to football too, but he wasn't nearly this physical at USF. The athleticism speaks for itself, but it's the attitude and willingness to compete so physically that's a little bit of a special quality for this kind of prospect.
there's no doubt ansahs physical...the size is great the measurables great...i think he tested more explosive than i see on tape...but that pass rush raw is an understatement...when he's nullified i see no counter...you stone him and he just waits for the action to come his way...i just can't get down with the pass rush upside enough...
i might end up eating my words on that one but it's just what i see...the ability to get to the qb and beat a solid tackle at the pro level bothers me
1. Alec Ogletree* - 2nd round
2. Jonathan Bostic - 2nd round
3. Michael Mauti - 3rd round
4. A.J. Klein - 3rd round
5. Manti Te'o - 3rd round
6. Kevin Reddick - 4th round
7. Kevin Minter - 4th round
8. Steve Beauharnais - 5th round
9. Jonathan Stewart - 5th round
10. Nico Johnson - 5th round
11. Tom Wort* - 5th round
12. John Lotulelei - 6th round
13. Brandon Hepburn - 7th round
14. Will Compton - 7th round
15. Cameron Lawrence - 7th round
16. Bruce Taylor - 7th round
17. Jake Johnson - UDFA
18. Greg Blair - UDFA
19. Demetrius Hartsfield - UDFA
20. Marvin Burdette - UDFA
21. Dan Molls - UDFA
22. Will Ebner - UDFA
by the way wv allens route running and burst for his size is very good...not many guys can run that clean routes and have that fluid looking hips in a big bodied wr...he plays smart to me also...and he's got red zone win abilities...very polished
rumor is he may not run at his pro day either...which means he'[s probably gonna get into round 2 i'd say...what a steal...if he runs anywhere in the 4.4's i'd pounce at #12...low 4.5's i'd probably still...depends on free agency but we come out of it without a big name wr i see no reason this kid should not be getting a hard look with that top pick...depth of the wr class or not...this kids first round top 20 worthy talent
i got to say i love those lbs rankings and the rounds...bostic i think is underrated...like klein...teo severely overrated...ogletree does not show high end instincts for the position at this stage...i think you nailed it
Originally Posted by TedSlimmJr
i wonder about mauti being a guy that is viewed as a career special teams player by teams...a glue roster guy but not a long term starter
1. Jarvis Jones* - 1st round
2. Cornelius Washington - 2nd round
3. Jamie Collins - 3rd round
4. Zaviar Gooden - 3rd round
5. Sio Moore - 3rd round
6. Khaseem Green - 3rd round
7. Arthur Brown - 3rd round
8. Chase Thomas - 4th round
9. Mike Taylor - 4th round
10. Jake Knott - 4th round
11. Sean Porter - 4th round
12. Jelani Jenkins - 5th round
13. Kiki Alonso - 5th round
14. Lerentee McCray - 6th round
15. Gerald Hodges - 6th round
16. Keith Pough - 7th round
17. Daren Bates - UDFA
18. Devonte Holloman - UDFA
19. Sam Barrington - UDFA
20. Kenny Tate - UDFA
Im with you again. Ive been saying Bailey is the best pure WR in the class for months now. However, after doing some study on Allen, man Im starting to debate that in my head enough to backtrack and at least say they are 1A and 1B. The one area that I think puts Allen ahead of Bailey is how he can go over the middle with the same skill. He is just so fluid and understands how to use his own body to give himself the edge over the defender when the ball is in play. Youre right about how smooth he is on breaks with his hips. I dont see a flaw in the kids game. Like Bailey he is a huge win in the redzone. They both have excellent ball skills when its in the air. Both use the boundries like a king. Both of them are great route runners. Both have great hands. Bailey is extremely physical and is underrated in that area because of his size. Again, I think Allen is better over the middle. But, Id give Bailey a slight edge in open field running as far as making people miss.
Originally Posted by hooshoops
Speed at WR is so overrated IMHO. Sure, its important. But, it isnt nearly as important as route running and hands. The WR is the one making breaks and the defender is the one who has to react and try to catch up if he gets beat or a guy makes a catch on him. As long as a WR is not slow, his speed is fine. There are only so many times where the lack of 4.3 or 4.4 speed is going to keep a guy from turning a big play into 6 pts. It is nice to have a guy who can run a 4.3 and blow past everyone for a deep ball, but they need WR skills to go with it. Guys who run a 4.5 can still beat you deep. Heck Bailey didnt have a great 40 time but he will still beat people for a deep ball because he is capable of running so many great routes. How quick a guy gets in and out of breaks is more important than top speed.