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    Quote Originally Posted by nopony
    And the thing about the Vick comparisons is that the ones i am referring to are not "wow, he can run!" They are "Vince Young sucks! He can't pass!" which is patently ridiculous.
    i don't know if his passing style converts at all to the NFL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Cribbs
    i don't know if his passing style converts at all to the NFL.
    explain his passing style, why it doesn't convert and why he couldn't correct it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dol-Fan Dupree


    What you don't see is that your blatent disregard of "oh he is another insane racism jerk" is just as bad as the people who bring up racism everywhere.
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    Well great, then were both equally ignorant on the issue.

    The point is that with the original post Pony made a statement used a blanket insinuation that everyone who is against Young holds that assumption just because he's black. He used that argument to further his by invalidating anyone elses argument as being clouded by racism.

    It was flat out wrong in it's use IMO.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dol-Fan Dupree
    You didn't read that thread where someone claimed Byron Leftwich was a running quarterback? .


    No I didn'nt see that.
    That is quite funny.

    There's always going to be idiots and there will always be racism within any race.

    It does not mean the vast majority hold that belief however and that's why to me it was out of line to bring that up in the context that it was.

    If you took a poll of everyone on this site, I doubt you'd find even 5% that would believe that Byron Leftwich or Steve Mcnair is a run first QB. At least I hope we would'nt.
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    he's in a shotgun a lot, behind a great offensive line where he feels no pressure, running some option, and throwing to a lot of stationary wide-open receivers. rarely does he face a defense where a safety isn't in the box, and even when one of his receivers is covered, they're talented enough to make a play on the ball over the DB. whether he can correct it or not is a question. that's why i think he's a big risk, as is the other developmental guys; cutler, jacobs, mcneal, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trekbiz
    Well great, then were both equally ignorant on the issue.

    The point is that with the original post Pony made a statement used a blanket insinuation that everyone who is against Young holds that assumption just because he's black. He used that argument to further his by invalidating anyone elses argument as being clouded by racism.

    It was flat out wrong in it's use IMO.





    No I didn'nt see that.
    That is quite funny.

    There's always going to be idiots and there will always be racism within any race.

    It does not mean the vast majority hold that belief however and that's why to me it was out of line to bring that up in the context that it was.

    If you took a poll of everyone on this site, I doubt you'd find even 5% that would believe that Byron Leftwich or Steve Mcnair is a run first QB. At least I hope we would'nt.
    I don't agree with his use of it, however I do think that if the races were switched I would be reading totally different things about both quarterbacks. You would see stupid Culter = Vick arguements.

    I also disagree with NoPony because last year people wanted McPhearson even though that guy was crap.

    However I do see it every day. I do believe the numbers for Leftwich would be at least 10% and the number for McNair would be around 35%. I think the number for Bledsoe would be around 2% and the number of Big Ben would be less than 10%.
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    The point is that with the original post Pony made a statement used a blanket insinuation that everyone who is against Young holds that assumption just because he's black. He used that argument to further his by invalidating anyone elses argument as being clouded by racism.
    hm.

    Not by a long shot. Am I saying that everyone who doesn't like Vince Young as a quarterback is a racist? 100% NO, that's not what I'm saying at ALL.
    I do not mean to imply that it factors into YOUR opinion. I really don't.
    Just because YOU are not affected by race (which is awesome) doesn't mean you should make the mistake of thinking no one is.
    I think all of that is true. I have tried to make it very clear that i am not saying people on here hate black people. I am saying judgements are made, unfairly, because of his skin color by SOME people. That's all.
    Selective reading? Or do you just want to be offended?

    I made nothing blanket about it at all.
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    I also disagree with NoPony because last year people wanted McPhearson even though that guy was crap.
    How does that disagree with me? Do you think I was saying that all people hate all black quarterbacks?

    I was saying that race plays a role in the perception of Young. that's it. Pretty much in complete agreement with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trekbiz
    That's your perogative to feel that way.
    It dosen't make it true and I couldn't disagree with you more.

    I guess if Drew Bledsoe was black he would have been called a running QB as well by all of us who are blinded to actual traits/talents/tendencies of a player because all we see is skin color?

    Never saw anyone on here claiming that Byron Leftwich or Steve Mcnair were "running" QB's.......... guess they're white.......

    What many of you who pull this argument out at any instance fail to recognize is that you alienate many people who may not have a racist bone in their body.

    How you ask?

    It's just a wee bit insulting to accuse anyone of having racist reasons for bringing up legitimate points of discussion.
    Someone did call Leftwich a running Qb in a thread a couple weeks ago, but I believe that person may have never actually watched him play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miamibyrd_24
    I really disagree with one person on that Overrated list. Jean-Giles, to me, made things happen, pulling, getting up field, putting players on their backs. He the biggest standout among the linemen, if any one is overrated its D'Brickshaw, getting beat around the edges, showing he needs to improve footwork. Just my thoughts.
    Yeah.

    I definitely see where you're coming from. I do doubt his ability to motivate himself and stay in shape though. And he does get beat with DL rotations and stunts from what I have seen(Which isn't enough to give an analysis).

    But I just think that he will not do well as a pro from what I have seen.
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