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Thread: God, guns, gays...Dobson to flock: 'Focus!'

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    God, guns, gays...Dobson to flock: 'Focus!'

    It appears that Dobson and company may be losing their grip on the flock:

    A struggle for control of the evangelical agenda intensified this week, with some leaders declaring that the focus has strayed too far from their signature battles against abortion and gay rights.

    Those issues defined the evangelical movement for more than two decades — and cemented ties with the Republican Party. But in a caustic letter, leaders of the religious right warned that these "great moral issues of our time" were being displaced by a "divisive and dangerous" alignment with the left on global warming.

    A new generation of pastors has expanded the definition of moral issues to include not only global warming, but an array of causes. Quoting Scripture and invoking Jesus, they're calling for citizenship for illegal immigrants, universal healthcare and caps on carbon emissions.
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    The signatories — most of them activists, not theologians — expressed dismay that an evangelical emphasis on global warming was "contributing to growing confusion about the very term 'evangelical.' "

    In religious terms, an evangelical is a Christian who has been born again, seeks a personal relationship with Christ, and considers the Bible the word of God, to be faithfully obeyed.

    But Dobson and his fellow letter-writers suggested that evangelical should also signify "conservative views on politics, economics and biblical morality."
    So Dobson and his ilk are looking to continue to politicize religion, but more and more evangelical Christians seem to be branching out. Issues like poverty, social justice, and environmental stewardship are becoming increasingly important to them. Furthermore, it appears that many evangelical Christians have felt rather ill-used by conservative forces they've supported recently. Personally, I think Dobson and Co. are feeling just a bit of panic. They've grown wealthy and influential while piggybacking on the growth of the evangelical movement. But naturally as the group grows, people with more diverse perspectives enter the movement and diffuse it. It's a pretty natural progression, I think. Of course it won't make the more ravenous of the flock happy...
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    Actually, it just confirms the truth of the Bible where is talks about the road to heaven being narrow, but the path to hell and destruction is wide.

    How anyone could object to the types of things James Dobson supports or opposes is beyond me; he's a good Christian man. But, there are many people, both on this forum and in our country, who feel good about bashing Christians and Christian Family Values. It's like a right of passage for all liberals, kinda like a Muslim's trek to Mecca.

    I'm sure there are a few of people on this forum who share my views, but I sure feel out numbered most of the time because it seems that the people who post the most don't.

    I'll wait for the expected liberal bashing to follow as I proclaim my faith in Jesus.

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    So Dobson thinks that issues involving women and gay people are more important than issues involving healthcare and poverty? He is more concerned about issues that involve personal, private things about a fairly small % of the population than issues about the very health and wellbeing of a much larger % of the population in regard to poverty and the whole population in regard to healthcare and global warming?

    How does that add up? Why are the issues involving a select few people more important than issues that involve everyone?

    And Dolphin39, if you don't understand why anyone would disagree with Dobson on these issues, than that is the problem right there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DolfinDave View Post
    So Dobson thinks that issues involving women and gay people are more important than issues involving healthcare and poverty? He is more concerned about issues that involve personal, private things about a fairly small % of the population than issues about the very health and wellbeing of a much larger % of the population in regard to poverty and the whole population in regard to healthcare and global warming?

    How does that add up? Why are the issues involving a select few people more important than issues that involve everyone?

    And Dolphin39, if you don't understand why anyone would disagree with Dobson on these issues, than that is the problem right there.

    DolfinDave its scary how much I have been agreeing with you these last two days its like we are working with the same mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul54 View Post
    DolfinDave its scary how much I have been agreeing with you these last two days its like we are working with the same mind.
    :cooldude: Its always comforting to find someone who shares your point of view. But like you said, it can be weird when that point of view is really similar on a bunch of different issues. :evil:
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    Quote Originally Posted by DolfinDave View Post
    :cooldude: Its always comforting to find someone who shares your point of view. But like you said, it can be weird when that point of view is really similar on a bunch of different issues. :evil:

    We should form a coalition of free thinkers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DolfinDave View Post
    So Dobson thinks that issues involving women and gay people are more important than issues involving healthcare and poverty? He is more concerned about issues that involve personal, private things about a fairly small % of the population than issues about the very health and wellbeing of a much larger % of the population in regard to poverty and the whole population in regard to healthcare and global warming?

    How does that add up? Why are the issues involving a select few people more important than issues that involve everyone?

    And Dolphin39, if you don't understand why anyone would disagree with Dobson on these issues, than that is the problem right there.

    It's funny how liberals like to put a spin on things. Every Democratic candidate has talked about the same issues as Dobson, yet when he does, he his condemned. When they do it they're praised called progressives and new age thinkers. Just because someone speaks about an issue DOESN'T mean they don't care about others. ALL issues should be discussed, all except those conservatives apparently talk about.

    When it comes down to it, liberals are bashing Dobson because they disagree with his views, plain and simple. If however he was a liberal running for President and talked about these issues only with the opposite view, the media and many on this forum would bend over backwards singing his praises. Can you say...spin.

    As far as health care, its been discussed on the forum before and there are drastically opposing views. I for one, am against a national health care program. I don't know Dobson's stance, but he may or may not share the same view.

    Poverty has, and will always, be with us. It's best remedied locally...not nationally. Does that mean we don't care for the poor-no.

    Can you say spin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolphin39 View Post
    It's funny how liberals like to put a spin on things. Every Democratic candidate has talked about the same issues as Dobson, yet when he does, he his condemned. When they do it they're praised called progressives and new age thinkers. Just because someone speaks about an issue DOESN'T mean they don't care about others. ALL issues should be discussed, all except those conservatives apparently talk about.

    When it comes down to it, liberals are bashing Dobson because they disagree with his views, plain and simple. If however he was a liberal running for President and talked about these issues only with the opposite view, the media and many on this forum would bend over backwards singing his praises. Can you say...spin.

    As far as health care, its been discussed on the forum before and there are drastically opposing views. I for one, am against a national health care program. I don't know Dobson's stance, but he may or may not share the same view.

    Poverty has, and will always, be with us. It's best remedied locally...not nationally. Does that mean we don't care for the poor-no.

    Can you say spin?
    The point is that while Democrats and other filthy liberals do indeed touch on those subjects, they do not make those subjects the do all/end all of everything they discuss. Of course you don't know Dobson's stance, you don't know it precisely because of what we are criticizing it, he refuses to make a point about it, because he is worrying about all the other stuff. what this thread is trying to point out is that people are starting to get tired of all those stuff being at the top of the agenda, when there are more pressing matters, matters that the evangelical right is not adressing. At all.

    And by the way, the whole bashing people when you don't agree with them is clearly not only done by us filthy communist liberals




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    Quote Originally Posted by Quelonio View Post
    The point is that while Democrats and other filthy liberals do indeed touch on those subjects, they do not make those subjects the do all/end all of everything they discuss. Of course you don't know Dobson's stance, you don't know it precisely because of what we are criticizing it, he refuses to make a point about it, because he is worrying about all the other stuff. what this thread is trying to point out is that people are starting to get tired of all those stuff being at the top of the agenda, when there are more pressing matters, matters that the evangelical right is not adressing. At all.

    And by the way, the whole bashing people when you don't agree with them is clearly not only done by us filthy communist liberals
    Wow, it's really scary to see so many young 20 years olds who will take a newspaper article from the LOS ANGELES TIMES NO LESS, read an unknown writer's article "claiming" an obsecure minister is challenging Mr. Dobson and then jump on the bandwagon with them. Have any of you every listened to Mr. Dobson or his Focus on the Family program? If you did what were your thougts, what did he say? What is your opinion of what he said?

    Face it, people are a lot like sheep and there has been a long and growing trend to oppose anyone and anything that is associated with orgainzed religion or conservatism. It's painfully obvious our young people have been negatively influenced by the media, colleges, Hollywood and liberal politicians-both Democrat and Republican.

    Do you believe the following comments? Why or why not?
    1. Most things in our country that were considered right by the majority of the people only 40-60 years ago is now considered wrong and policitally incorrect in today's world.

    2. Most things in our country that were considered wrong only 40-60 years ago are now considered as right and socially acceptable by a majority of the people; especially liberals, media, college professors, Hollywood the Democratic party as a whole and many Republicans.
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