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Thread: Merged 3x: Could Ryan be Miami's man with top pick?

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    I think the bottom line is we are not going to be a playoff team without a decent QB....we cannot continue to have an average to below average guy at the QB spot year after year. Since Marino left we haven't even had an average QB here, or anyone who amounted to anything. None of the QB's in the draft really stand out, so we either have to go with what we have for now, or trade/acquire a vet qb from elsewhere. About the only decent QB's out there who I would go after are Anderson of Cleveland, or Volek of the Chargers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emocomputerjock View Post
    I've yet to hear anything about Chris Long making the move to become more of a JT type of player. From anyone. Ever.

    Actually I've heard quite a lot of it. In a 3-4 Long will be moved around a lot and will play both with his hands in the dirt and out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adamprez2003 View Post
    Al Groh thinks his position in the NFL is 3-4 OLB and he thinks he'll be great for what its worth
    Gholston you could make a case for - Long no way, I don't care what Groh says. Long has never played LB in any way according to any bio or history I can find. He's never been used in that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrTree View Post
    Actually I've heard quite a lot of it. In a 3-4 Long will be moved around a lot and will play both with his hands in the dirt and out.
    Again, Long has never played OLB ever. If we want that type of player, get Gholston.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NamathDrunkLove View Post
    I'd much rather Brian Brohm with the first pick if we were going to go with a qb. He has better upside, and has produced at a higher level than Ryan every year. Even his poorest year was better than Ryan's best(this year). Of course Andre Woodson has the most upside, but he also has the most risk factor.
    I have no facts to back this up, it is just my opinion, but I view Brohm as more of a product of the system. I don't think he will be great in the NFL.
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    When reading the article, this jumped out at me...

    "But Ryan is the prospect who can help the Dolphins back to respectability – and the playoffs – the soonest. He also may be the best long-term prospect in this draft, and he plays the game's most important position."

    Those are very good points. It's tough to argue with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhinsPhan122 View Post

    Those are very good points. It's tough to argue with that.

    How is it tough to argue that? Since quarterbacks arguably have the longest learning curve of any position this seems to be a pretty off statement. A player like Dorsey or Long who could actually start from day one and be productive is definitely a much better player to help from day one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhinsPhan122 View Post
    I have no facts to back this up, it is just my opinion, but I view Brohm as more of a product of the system. I don't think he will be great in the NFL.
    I respect your opinion because that is what most people tell me when I mention Brohm. But I can say that I have watched him play several games and to me their is no indicator to this. The guy is great in the pocket, has a good/great arm, has a little mobility, and produced the numbers. He played in two different systems, both of which were pro style offenses. He did his best in terms up td's this last year. He did so with a new head coach and different coaching style/philosophy. I've wathced him against WVU and he lit them up. He always seems to find the open guy. Those interceptions that he threw this last year against them were in the last few minutes of the game when he was trying to come back. Even one of them from what I remember was kind of like Mannings first int last week against San Diego. His own player tipped it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Lou View Post
    You got to be kidding me. Dorsey fits every scheme, and if he doesn't you make room for him.
    change the scheme for a rookie?

    yeah, that happens all the time

    he would be wasted at NT and he isn't a DE, ergo he is a horrible fit

    in a 4-3 scheme he is awesome
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    Quote Originally Posted by NamathDrunkLove View Post
    I respect your opinion because that is what most people tell me when I mention Brohm. But I can say that I have watched him play several games and to me their is no indicator to this. The guy is great in the pocket, has a good/great arm, has a little mobility, and produced the numbers. He played in two different systems, both of which were pro style offenses. He did his best in terms up td's this last year. He did so with a new head coach and different coaching style/philosophy. I've wathced him against WVU and he lit them up. He always seems to find the open guy. Those interceptions that he threw this last year against them were in the last few minutes of the game when he was trying to come back. Even one of them from what I remember was kind of like Mannings first int last week against San Diego. His own player tipped it.
    Understood. It sounds like you watched Brohm more than I did so I will defer to your opinion some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lbmclean_sj View Post

    he would be wasted at NT and he isn't a DE, ergo he is a horrible fit

    in a 4-3 scheme he is awesome
    Not true and not true. Dorsey's frame could support more weight and put him at around 320 which is definitely in the NT range. And before anyone mentions a 350 lb NT go out there and actually look at how many guys are effective at that weight...almost none. Plus a 3-4 DE has basically the same duties as a 4-3 DT they just play a different gap. Dorsey would be an impact player either in a 4-3 or, yes, in a 3-4.
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