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Thread: I think our coaches finally figured out how to win consistently

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    I think our coaches finally figured out how to win consistently

    The answer has been under our nose for over a year, and I think the coaches finally picked up on it after Houston. GIVE. RICKY. THE. BALL. In 2002, Ricky had 10 games in which he had 22 or more carries. Of those 10 games, we won 7. The other losses came to NE (would've won if we kept running Ricky) and Buffalo (Ray Puke-us syndrome). We lost four out of six games when Ricky didn't get atleast 22 carries.

    This year, the trend continues. We only ran Ricky for 17 times against Houston, and we lose. But oh wait, we come into NYJ, run Ricky 34 times and win! We do the samething to Buffalo and win again! Please, Norv, Wanny... keep giving the man the ball. The stats prove that he is the key to winning.

    I think we can all agree that 42 rushes is a bit too much for the dread-locked demon, but in the situation we had with BUF last night, I would've done the samething. If we can give Ricky the ball 25-35 times a game, and keep the other teams offense off the field (ala Buffalo)... we will win a whole lot more.
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    Completely Agreed!

    Good thing we have a bye week cause Ricky gets to rest up for the GMen
    Fielder is 5-0 againist the Bills

    17-7 Nuff said!
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    If Ricky gets the rock 30 times a game we usually come out with a win.


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    If we ever get to the SB....I bet Ricky touches the ball 50+ times.....ride that horse..:horsey:<----- that's Wanny on Ricky's back!
    At a television studio in Hollywood on Monday night, Dolphins defensive end Jason Taylor was doing the fox trot. He probably was wearing makeup, too.
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    IT. DOESN'T. WORK. QUITE. THAT. WAY.

    I love you guys. I love Ricky. And I love the fins.

    But you can't just equate some high number of Ricky carries with winning as a causal relationship. Can it be? Hell, yes, because they are yards, touchdowns, bruises inflicted and set-ups for the passing game, too.

    But if you note that the games where any particular back OR TEAM carries relatively more are wins, and then deduce from that DIRECTLY that running more causes you to win, you're leaving out the factor that can virtually ALWAYS account for the margin of relatively more running. And that is that a team got the lead (possibly through running, but not necessarily so), and then proceeded to eat clock and control the ball by giving it to a back. Is Ricky THE back you want to have do that? YES. But did those marginal additional late runs give you that lead in the first place?

    Additional runs TEND to be a function of having the lead and sitting on it. Ricky is the best at effecting that outcome as far as running backs go.

    I just hate to see people fall into the trap of assuming the additional runs in themselves to necessarily be causal.

    Please don't scream at me for trying to make this clear. Remember: I love you guys, Ricky and the Fins.
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    Originally posted by LeftJerseyPhin
    IT. DOESN'T. WORK. QUITE. THAT. WAY.

    I love you guys. I love Ricky. And I love the fins.

    But you can't just equate some high number of Ricky carries with winning as a causal relationship. Can it be? Hell, yes, because they are yards, touchdowns, bruises inflicted and set-ups for the passing game, too.

    But if you note that the games where any particular back OR TEAM carries relatively more are wins, and then deduce from that DIRECTLY that running more causes you to win, you're leaving out the factor that can virtually ALWAYS account for the margin of relatively more running. And that is that a team got the lead (possibly through running, but not necessarily so), and then proceeded to eat clock and control the ball by giving it to a back. Is Ricky THE back you want to have do that? YES. But did those marginal additional late runs give you that lead in the first place? &lt;-- Consider that sentence carefully before answering.

    Additional runs TEND to be a function of having the lead and sitting on it. Ricky is the best at effecting that outcome as far as running backs go.

    I just hate to see people fall into the trap of assuming the additional runs in themselves to necessarily be causal.

    Please don't scream at me for trying to make this clear. Remember: I love you guys, Ricky and the Fins.
    I was assuming that if Ricky touches the ball 50+ times then it would be because it was effective.
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    But if Ricky runs that much, he won't be effective in a SB, he'll be beat..that amount of running punish one's body and wear it down..We need to make the pass work as well, get a good lead and use Ricky to bring it home..but we need to be balanced in the first half to rest Ricky for the second half...and Minus needs to play more..Period..
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    Originally posted by MDFINFAN
    But if Ricky runs that much, he won't be effective in a SB, he'll be beat..that amount of running punish one's body and wear it down..We need to make the pass work as well, get a good lead and use Ricky to bring it home..but we need to be balanced in the first half to rest Ricky for the second half...and Minus needs to play more..Period..
    Who the hell is minus? :goof:
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    Originally posted by inFINSible


    I was assuming that if Ricky touches the ball 50+ times then it would be because it was effective.
    THAT...is exactly right, which means you know that other part I was babbling about none too coherently.

    I just gotta say that it has become a personal peeve for me when high-paid broadcasters and high-circulation sports columnists -- who purport to be helping the masses understand the game -- present the runs/wins relationship as if having won the last 9 of 10 games in which you rushed 35 times means that you'll have a 90% chance of winning IF you come out and rush 35 times.

    Does anyone else cringe when you hear this or read this presented in this misleading way, or is that reaction more typically a response to my posts?
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    Originally posted by MDFINFAN
    But if Ricky runs that much, he won't be effective in a SB, he'll be beat..that amount of running punish one's body and wear it down..We need to make the pass work as well, get a good lead and use Ricky to bring it home..but we need to be balanced in the first half to rest Ricky for the second half...and Minus needs to play more..Period..
    Who knows? I've yet top see him have too many carries and besides that he'll have all those victory parades to recover in.
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