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Thread: Sean Smith - Vontae Davis

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    Sean Smith - Vontae Davis

    so we've gotten a great look at these two guys. we've seen both get burned (vontae more than smith). we've see both make clutch plays and play some excellent blanket coverage.

    smith is not thrown to as often as davis is thrown to. in most games, offenses have been putting their #1 against vontae and, consequently, he gets thrown at more often than smith. not suprisingly, a #1 receiver WILL get some catches and davis will look as if he's giving up more than smith which may be deceiving. when will allen was in coverage we saw the same thing...teams throw at sean smith and some receivers caught some balls. so i think both CBs are playing at a relatively similar level as far as coverage.

    vontae smith is a bit more of a gambler and will try to step in front of a ball to make the INT. here is where the two are different and where everyone may have a different philosophy as far as risk. v.davis will occassionally try to make the INT even sacrificing a bit of coverage to try to get into position for the INT. the gamble will pay off sometimes and sometimes not....we've seen davis surrender HUGE yardage because of the gamble. on the other hand, we've also seen v.davis make the gamble a couple of times and he's had some success with the INTs. i don't know the ratio BUT here is where i think offenses will interpret it differently....some will see opportunity and some will give him respect. brady i think is an example of a QB who sees opportunity and while i don't think brady played to v.davis' inclination to gamble he nonetheless is a QB who will gamble against a risk taker like v.davis. p.manning is a good example of a QB who will play v.davis' game and bait him with a pump fake or a stare to make davis jump and then go for a deep ball. d.brees will too. like i said.....some QBs will gladly play against a risk taking CB while others who are not as talented will play away from him. so the question for us is whether we prefer a shutdown corner who allows no catches but does not play for the INT or a CB who occasionally gambles on the INT and loses but sometimes wins the battle and also offers good coverage.

    s.smith appears to be more of a shutdown corner, in my opinion, he plays the receiver and blankets him. you throw to him and your ball is not going to be caught but it's probably not going to be intercepted either.

    v.davis appears to love to hit as well....so he adds an added dimension to the defense in helping it appear more physical. we've seen him give a receiver, RB and TE sweet hits. i've yet to see s.smith give a powerful hit to anyone.

    now, i've also seen v.davis get burned a lot more often than smith.....even though the receiver didn't catch it or the QB didn't see him open. smith also lets receivers get by sometimes but v.davis has been burned more often, in my opinion.

    together, the two are demonstrating they are talented and helping to convey the impression that the Dolphins CBs are dangerous corners to throw against. my only fear is that as teams begin to respect the outside it's going to put even more pressure on the already suspect middle of the field.


    what's your impression of sean smith and vontae davis? do you think any one is better than the other given the variables of the game (receivers, offensive strategies, etc)?





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    I think vontae will be a great cb. He gets burned but has a nose for the ball and hits very well.

    Sean, not so much. He is always out of position, trailing receivers, 0 interception, hits like a sissy, and always gives too much cushion. Not impressed.
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    Sean has been burned much more than Vontae has. I think he will take more time to develop than Vontae will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by finnns2000 View Post
    I think vontae will be a great cb. He gets burned but has a nose for the ball and hits very well.

    Sean, not so much. He is always out of position, trailing receivers, 0 interception, hits like a sissy, and always gives too much cushion. Not impressed.
    Vontae is really starting to put it together but he still has a ways to go. Damn he is a hitter. And I love his competitive attitude.

    I dont agree with your S. Smith assesment to an extent. What you dont see most of the time is Smith really does cover well against his receivers. The times where he has been out of position was more the fact that he is a rookie and got schooled (faked out by veteran receivers). I think very soon he will catch on to the little fakes and anticipate a little better the actual route of the reciever, when this happens you will see the ball hawking S. Smith that he can be. Right now he is overthinking, experience and good coaching will fix that eventually.
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    Wow u shouldn't b a fin fan. Sean smith is a rookie playing
    against top teams. Let's see who our rookie CBs played.

    Vincent Jackson Floyd and gates
    Roddy white and tony Gonzalez
    Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark
    braylon edwards and cotchery
    Randy moss and welker twice
    to and lee Evans

    And they should be soooo much better cause we play bad qbs all the time

    manning
    Brady
    Ryan
    rivers

    damn our rookies suck.

    I want to revoke ur fan card. Sean started all year. Vontae replaced someone and was the higher pick. Maybe he plays wit a chip on his shoulder
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    I think the numbers are a bit skewed at this point. Vonte has gone up against more true #1's so far this year. I think this is largely due to the fact that in the beginning the Fins would not have the corners switch sides to take advantage of the height differences between Vonte and Sean. I mean seriously, I'd rather have Sean matching up against Moss and Ownes just because of the height issue, but that's not how it played out this year. I'd like to see Vonte on the #2 guy, and take him completely out of the game, and have Sean match up against the #1 guy with some saftey help. I think this would give us our best chances in the long run.
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    Vontae has played very well. He has been burned from time to time, but he is a rookie and that is expected. His INTs this year have all been huge. He is a great tackler and comes up in run support quite a bit. I like his physical nature and he is so athletic. His two INTs on Moss are plays not many CBs in this league can make. I like what I see from him and I think he will be a "shutdown" type CB in a year or two.

    Sean is another story. There was so much hype on him this preseason and even premature talks of Hall of Fame type CB. He has been average this year. He doesn't get too many ball thrown his way, but when he does he gets beat a lot. In the Panthers game Steve Smith beat him deep a couple times and Delhome just missed him. He has struggled against faster WRs because he doesn't have great top end speed. With that said, I still like a lot of things I have seen from him. He is a playmaker and has great size. His tackling leaves something do be desired, but many CBs in this league struggle in tackling.

    Overall I think we have two very good, very young CBs that we can rely on for the next 6-8 years. Both are getting better and will benefit when we can finally pick up a great roaming FS. I am happy we got these two and look forward to seeing them give opposing QBs headaches and INTs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fiftyofhaze View Post
    Wow u shouldn't b a fin fan. Sean smith is a rookie playing
    against top teams. Let's see who our rookie CBs played.

    Vincent Jackson Floyd and gates
    Roddy white and tony Gonzalez
    Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark
    braylon edwards and cotchery
    Randy moss and welker twice
    to and lee Evans

    And they should be soooo much better cause we play bad qbs all the time

    manning
    Brady
    Ryan
    rivers

    damn our rookies suck.

    I want to revoke ur fan card. Sean started all year. Vontae replaced someone and was the higher pick. Maybe he plays wit a chip on his shoulder
    Wahhhhhh. You sound like a huge baby. Stop crying.
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    Vontae is covering hte numbr 1 WR, smith isn't and Vontae didn't start from preseason like Smith did so that experience is a big deal.
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    Smith started out hot, now Vontae is hot...............i think at this point it's a wash. They BOTH show potential and i think, with good coaching, we have a couple of future pro bowlers on our hands.




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