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Delivered by Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775, Virginia House of Burgesses
Just an inspiring speech made by one of our founding fathers.
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it."
You would have to ask someone who is a believer, I am an athesist
I'm more of a Madison kind of guy....
"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Conservatives are reguarly upset about how God is removed from the public arena by the likes of the ACLU and other left wing groups. As Conservatives rally against the ACLU in such efforts, they are trying to keep God in the public arena for us all. Maybe the left fight the ACLU too, but I've never witnessed it.
Jesus didn't call for Socialism. He didn't say it was OK for the government or my neighbor even to decide just how much I should be able to afford to help another. That's the key distinction. I will gladly give what I choose to give. I detest someone else making that decision for me.
Leave Jesus out of it. It's between me and the government. They simply want to take the money I earned and give it to someone who didn't earn it.
That's generally done at the gov't level by your elected reps.. I haven't seen one time where we been able to say how much taxes we pay, or want to pay..
The GOP are not keeping God in the public sector..in fact most blacks I know go to church and they mostly belong in the dem party, so I see the dems having as much God as the GOP..U speak of groups, those groups don't rep the whole party from what I've seen. ..in fact, blacks are a large segment of the dem party and they love God and keep Him in their hearts as much as anyone else... You can't legislate God in the public sector no more than you can legislate "wanting" to help others.. So for everything you said about what they, the repubs, try to do, they seem to miss the basic premise Christ talked about.. God wants us to make a choice..we can't force ppl to accept him, they have to open their hearts gladly and do so.. so I don't care what groups do, they can't take Christ out of me. and that's where He is, in us..
After Jesus left the 2nd time and the Holy Spirit came, and men became baptized in the Spirit, the very first thing they did was what..Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungered, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungered, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
So if that was the first thing man did when the Holy Spirit entered the earth, why would we call it socialism now..God meant for us to look after one another.. And yes, God wanted us to work, that's never been questioned..So I'm not pushing give to those who don't want to work..and that's not been proposed by our gov't.. But Bush basically said when giving tax breaks, we give the most to the rich because they make the most.. Huhhhh???? That's totally backwards and now we have a president who says let the tax break expire and spread that money back to the lower and middle class and I've heard that's called redistribution of money and socialism, but when it's the done the other way, which is what bush did..no arguments..are people blind or what?Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.
44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
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Without getting into a theological debate with you. Democrats are also very quick to point out the seperation on god and state. It is not the govts job to mandate morality.
The top 1% of Americans own 34% of assets of America's assets yet we vote for lower taxes, but for who? The wealthy.
But people will scream that the wealthy create jobs so we can't tax them too much, in fact they need a tax break. We see how that works out time and time again and all it results in is more money that they do not need to contribute that they can pocket.
Letting the wealthy keep their share of taxes does not equal more jobs. Cutting taxes on the rich arguably creates potential jobs..
Approximately the lowest 80% of Americans own 15% of America and we cry when someone proposes "redistribution of wealth" by reinstating taxes that the rich that did not have to pay in the past 8 years. I just don't get it. :facepalm:
Separation of church and state has a purpose. And that is to block governments potential to mandate morality and to stray from a theocracy or anything in the realm of such. It does nothing to do with mandating morality.
You obviously missed my point entirely. If you re-read my post, you'll note that I didn't reference taxes. You did. Yes, it is my moral obligation to help people. You believe that the government needs to be a middle man in the process. I do not. My charitable donations are done on my terms and I am most generous in that effort. I resent the implication that the government needs to decide for me how much that should be.Originally Posted by MDFINFAN
In fact, data has been publicized in the past that the red states are far bigger contributors of charitable donations than the blue states. This acutally is a manifestation of our key difference in this debate as people in blue states likely believe (as do you) that the government should take your money for this purpose rather than you freely deciding to give it.
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