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    Parcells previous drafts and upcoming year

    I found interesting article on the impact Parcells left in Dallas due to draft and FA acquisitions:-

    Terence Newman, Jason Witten,Bradie James,Pat Crayton.DeMarcus Ware, Marcus Spears, Marion Barber, Jay Ratliff.Bobby Carpenter, Jason Hatcher, Pat Watkins, Pat McQuistan, Kevin Burnet, Tony Romo, Miles Austin, Stephen Bowen, Romo, Sam Hurd, Cory Procter, Marc Columbo and Kyle Kosier.

    When looking at this and the amount of control he had over the draft while in Dallas, I though I would look at his previous draft while GM of Jets in 2000:-

    Shaun Ellis, John Abraham, Chad Pennington and L.Coles.

    I was interested to see that most of these players bar the exception of Newman and Ware did next to nothing in their first year or two in NFL.

    Made me think then of our current roster and how Parcells put in place the pieces of the current Cowboys D & O Lines (Parcells is also noted as having turned around Gurode's career).

    Parcells first port of call in Miami was both lines. Our current O Line, Long, Smiley, Grove/Berger, Thomas/Garner, Carey is in 1st yr of playing together and should kick on from next yr on, especially considering our HC. Our D Line, Starks, Langford, Merling, McDaniel not including Ferguson are all athletic, young with size. When considering Parcells previous Defenses, he has never had a massive NT, i.e Burt, Howard and even J Ferguson and consequently Jay Ratliff. I believe one of the before mentioned Langford, Starks or Mcdaniel will become our NT in 2010.

    When looking at previous drafts i was also condidering.......what is the most successful position for 1st year production in NFL?

    IMO its MLB & OLB, consequently,IMO barring FS our weakest position.

    When looking at our roster I am full of optimism. Heres why:-

    Henne in really what was his rookie year will no doubt continue to improve 2010

    I worry about R.Brown. When healthy I believe he is a TOP 5 RB.......When healthy. Ricky will want to finish on a high and I was impressed with Hilliard. I also believe we will draft RB in 4th or 5th and Cobbs is underated.

    Fasano is not great at any one thing but good at most and I believe we draft athletic TE.

    With Polite and healthy O Line, another year in, I honestly do not believe there is a better Run blocking unit in NFL.

    When considering D Line I believe bewteen Starks, Langford, Merling and Mcdaniel we will have a very productive unit.

    This is where i see big overhaul with the only one remaining from last year being Crowder. I see Cameron Wake playing a lot more under Nolan and I would not be surprised to see 2 rookie's starting at MLB and OLB. As stated this and RB is probably the easiest transition from college and I belive we draft in both areas.

    Secondary........Rookies Smith & Davis perfomed admirably this year and no doubt will improve and be better for the steep learning curve they had this yr. I also love Will Allen. I believe he is very underated, very much like Ike Taylor in Pittsburgh, very good cover corner......but catch like they have no thumbs.

    I like Chris Clemons. He has fantastic range which we lacked this year and is more suited to FS than Wilson. I do believe Wilson may push Bell for SS position next yr but I would not be surprised if we draft another safety this year.

    Special Teams. Ted Ginn should be limited on offence and stick to what he does best........kick return, just look at Devin Hester and how he has been ruined.

    Dan Carpenter superb and Brandon Fields underated are solid players.

    With consistancy at OC which I believe is paramount in production of Henne and the addition of Nolan, I see big things ahead in what is the crucial 3rd year in the Parcells regime!
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    Quote Originally Posted by normaniii View Post
    When looking at previous drafts i was also condidering.......what is the most successful position for 1st year production in NFL?
    I would have gone with runningback.
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    Quote Originally Posted by normaniii View Post
    I found interesting article on the impact Parcells left in Dallas due to draft and FA acquisitions:-

    Terence Newman, Jason Witten,Bradie James,Pat Crayton.DeMarcus Ware, Marcus Spears, Marion Barber, Jay Ratliff.Bobby Carpenter, Jason Hatcher, Pat Watkins, Pat McQuistan, Kevin Burnet, Tony Romo, Miles Austin, Stephen Bowen, Romo, Sam Hurd, Cory Procter, Marc Columbo and Kyle Kosier.

    When looking at this and the amount of control he had over the draft while in Dallas, I though I would look at his previous draft while GM of Jets in 2000:-

    Shaun Ellis, John Abraham, Chad Pennington and L.Coles.

    I was interested to see that most of these players bar the exception of Newman and Ware did next to nothing in their first year or two in NFL.

    Made me think then of our current roster and how Parcells put in place the pieces of the current Cowboys D & O Lines (Parcells is also noted as having turned around Gurode's career).

    Parcells first port of call in Miami was both lines. Our current O Line, Long, Smiley, Grove/Berger, Thomas/Garner, Carey is in 1st yr of playing together and should kick on from next yr on, especially considering our HC. Our D Line, Starks, Langford, Merling, McDaniel not including Ferguson are all athletic, young with size. When considering Parcells previous Defenses, he has never had a massive NT, i.e Burt, Howard and even J Ferguson and consequently Jay Ratliff. I believe one of the before mentioned Langford, Starks or Mcdaniel will become our NT in 2010.

    When looking at previous drafts i was also condidering.......what is the most successful position for 1st year production in NFL?

    IMO its MLB & OLB, consequently,IMO barring FS our weakest position.

    When looking at our roster I am full of optimism. Heres why:-

    Henne in really what was his rookie year will no doubt continue to improve 2010

    I worry about R.Brown. When healthy I believe he is a TOP 5 RB.......When healthy. Ricky will want to finish on a high and I was impressed with Hilliard. I also believe we will draft RB in 4th or 5th and Cobbs is underated.

    Fasano is not great at any one thing but good at most and I believe we draft athletic TE.

    With Polite and healthy O Line, another year in, I honestly do not believe there is a better Run blocking unit in NFL.

    When considering D Line I believe bewteen Starks, Langford, Merling and Mcdaniel we will have a very productive unit.

    This is where i see big overhaul with the only one remaining from last year being Crowder. I see Cameron Wake playing a lot more under Nolan and I would not be surprised to see 2 rookie's starting at MLB and OLB. As stated this and RB is probably the easiest transition from college and I belive we draft in both areas.

    Secondary........Rookies Smith & Davis perfomed admirably this year and no doubt will improve and be better for the steep learning curve they had this yr. I also love Will Allen. I believe he is very underated, very much like Ike Taylor in Pittsburgh, very good cover corner......but catch like they have no thumbs.

    I like Chris Clemons. He has fantastic range which we lacked this year and is more suited to FS than Wilson. I do believe Wilson may push Bell for SS position next yr but I would not be surprised if we draft another safety this year.

    Special Teams. Ted Ginn should be limited on offence and stick to what he does best........kick return, just look at Devin Hester and how he has been ruined.

    Dan Carpenter superb and Brandon Fields underated are solid players.

    With consistancy at OC which I believe is paramount in production of Henne and the addition of Nolan, I see big things ahead in what is the crucial 3rd year in the Parcells regime!

    That talent he left in dallas he couldn't win a playoff game w/ and in the 3 years since he has been gone they have won a total of ONE playoff game.


    He was NOT in charge of the 2000 draft, Al groh was. Check the atrocious 1997-1999 Jets drafts to see what he did for us drafting wise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    That talent he left in dallas he couldn't win a playoff game w/ and in the 3 years since he has been gone they have won a total of ONE playoff game.


    He was NOT in charge of the 2000 draft, Al groh was. Check the atrocious 1997-1999 Jets drafts to see what he did for us drafting wise.
    Parcells..

    Was he not the head football ops guy in 2000?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tunaphish429 View Post
    Parcells..

    Was he not the head football ops guy in 2000?
    He was BUT he gave the power to Al Groh.


    Groh already has the final word on personnel matters: the draft, free agency, the hiring of coaches and the support people who make up a football operation.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2000/01/30/sp...%202000&st=cse

    Groh had enjoyed a moderately successful first season as the head coach after serving as the Jets' linebackers coach under Parcells for three years. He endured scathing criticism for orchestrating the off-season trade of receiver Keyshawn Johnson to Tampa Bay for two first-round draft picks, and players grumbled about his rigorous practice schedule early in the season. But Groh also presided over the Jets' draft, in which they had an unprecedented four first-round picks, and he led the team to a 4-0 start, which stretched to 6-1. They gained a reputation for mental toughness and became the darlings of the viewing audience with four fourth-quarter comebacks.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/31/sp...%202000&st=cse

    Ultimately, though, the Jets' new head coach, Al Groh, has the final say on personnel matters, a power that Parcells himself ceded to Groh when he named Groh as his successor
    http://www.nytimes.com/2000/03/10/sp...%202000&st=cse
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    That talent he left in dallas he couldn't win a playoff game w/ and in the 3 years since he has been gone they have won a total of ONE playoff game.


    He was NOT in charge of the 2000 draft, Al groh was. Check the atrocious 1997-1999 Jets drafts to see what he did for us drafting wise.
    he brought alot of talent to the cowboys as I pointed out and all you talk about is the Jets

    isn't there a jetswhiner.com you can go to?
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    Got ya..

    But I am sure Bill had alot to do with what was going on...

    Its not like he just turned the other way..

    Right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lbmclean_sj View Post
    he brought alot of talent to the cowboys as I pointed out and all you talk about is the Jets

    isn't there a jetswhiner.com you can go to?
    so much talent that has only ONE playoff win.

    Parcells is an all-time great Head Coach, he is a mediocre evaluator of talent.

    I apologize if the truth hurts a bit. The bets thing he did in Miami was set you up w/ Ireland. You shoulod be rooting for him to sail into the sunset at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    That talent he left in dallas he couldn't win a playoff game w/ and in the 3 years since he has been gone they have won a total of ONE playoff game.

    They still have a butt load of talent on that team. And how are you blaming Parcells for their lack of winning in the playoffs AFTER he leaves? For all you know, he could have taken the cowboys to the super bowl these last two years had parcells stayed.

    PS, Jerry Jones is a douche.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tunaphish429 View Post
    Got ya..

    But I am sure Bill had alot to do with what was going on...

    Its not like he just turned the other way..

    Right?
    Absolutely, I'm sure he was invovled but groh made those picks. BP got us a 1st rd pick for Belichick as he was the one who negotiated w/ Kraft. I think it's safe to say that didn't work out so well.


    I love that BP turned us from laughing stock into one of the better AFC franchises but he did that more w/ coaching than personnel moves.

    -He cost us peyton manning by not telling them he'd take him if were to come out in 1997.

    -he turned the #1 poick in the '97 draft(Orlando Pace) into james farrior and a bunch of other guys who were off the Jets w/in a few years.

    -He cost us belichick

    -He walked out w/o completing the job.
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