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    Bush job performance thus far?

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    my bush rant...

    Okay, this is why I want a change of president in next years election...this is what I have observed while Bush has been president....here are a few things that have pushed me over the edge....

    US Troops continue to die in massive numbers in Iraq, and the combat phase supposedly ended many months ago, I was in support for the war initially, but now after watching the country monitor the situation and such, i dont feel it was a good idea...

    He Signed a bill to ban partial birth abortions...now, granted I am pro-choice to a certain extent, and what he signed was a good law, (becasue if the baby is that far along in development, by no means should he/she be aborted), HOWEVER, there is no exemption on the bill that says that the Mother can abort if she is in danger healthwise, or the baby as well....so if you are the mother of this child, you are SCREWED......

    The Economy still blows, 9-11 came and went 2 years ago, and now the economy should be improving, but its not....Bush had a tax cut go through, but as political analyst/humorist lewis black said, "There was NOTHING to cut!!!" its to the point where they made up figures of money to cut....and it didnt help the economy...

    Its to the point that i miss slick president willie, there is no democrat at this point that has risen above the rest to challenge president bush, and i hope one does soon....
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    Re: my bush rant...

    Three quick points...

    1)Troops ARE dying in Iraq. But anyone who thought that no more casualties would occur after the major battles ended didn't think things through. This isn't Vietnam, and it never will be, but about 25% of the country was solidly behind Saddam, and until we get the other 75% up and running we're going to be facing this crap

    2)Last time I checked, there IS a provision for performing the partial birth abortion if the mothers LIFE is at risk. They amended the law before it was passed if I remember correctly. The issue that remained was that people wanted it amended to the "health" of the mother. I somewhat agree, but the problem I have is that I just don't see how a mother is going to be saved by a partial birth abortion rather than just a full delivery. To do the Partial Birth, they have to deliver the fetus up to his shoulders. At that point the worst part is over and it's only one more push for full delivery.

    3)The economy just had it's best quarter of growth in 20 years. What else do you want? We were coming off the biggest artificial bubble the country has seen since the 20's. Give it a little time to recover.


    Originally posted by ultimateFINFAN
    Okay, this is why I want a change of president in next years election...this is what I have observed while Bush has been president....here are a few things that have pushed me over the edge....

    US Troops continue to die in massive numbers in Iraq, and the combat phase supposedly ended many months ago, I was in support for the war initially, but now after watching the country monitor the situation and such, i dont feel it was a good idea...

    He Signed a bill to ban partial birth abortions...now, granted I am pro-choice to a certain extent, and what he signed was a good law, (becasue if the baby is that far along in development, by no means should he/she be aborted), HOWEVER, there is no exemption on the bill that says that the Mother can abort if she is in danger healthwise, or the baby as well....so if you are the mother of this child, you are SCREWED......

    The Economy still blows, 9-11 came and went 2 years ago, and now the economy should be improving, but its not....Bush had a tax cut go through, but as political analyst/humorist lewis black said, "There was NOTHING to cut!!!" its to the point where they made up figures of money to cut....and it didnt help the economy...

    Its to the point that i miss slick president willie, there is no democrat at this point that has risen above the rest to challenge president bush, and i hope one does soon....
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    No net new jobs, revenues at all time lows, infrastructure and services being neglected, this is the first ever war to have a tax cut in moder era (post War of 1812) and the only war we had a tax break we had massive trade SURPLUS. This war we have trade AND budget deficit.
    Latest casualty rate nearing tens of thousands(including wounded), despite destroyed infrastucutre and accurate hard target ordinance with satellite surveillance we have not even found a TRACE of a SINGLE VERIFIED WMD. From 45 minutes to 45 days to let's give the UN three more months to find it to REGIME CHANGE IS MORE IMPORTANT.And we had so much accurate hard evidence?
    Oh and by the way Turks (whom we gave 60 billion to) are ethnically cleansing the Kurds who we armed and promised help to then abandoned in the desert to get gassed or shot. They are dying now with direct supervision of ops in the field or known indirect oversight by an ally of ours.
    The economy has not recovered at all, the holidays have surged slight retail sales (the McRecovery meal deal for jobs please) and NO NET NEW JOBS. The GDP now includes DEFENSE SPENDING (86 Bill Afghan quarter, 87 Billion this quarter, and 400 Billion defense budget) minus those three included stats we have nothing for an economy. The DEFICIT INTEREST ALONE OUTGAINS ANY RECOVERY PAST THE INFLATED DEFENSE BUDGET DOLLARS. Funny fact, truckers in Iraq for subcontractors get 170,000 a year TAX FREE and somehow these dollars are counted as American GDP stats and economy numbers! My nephew came back and said CDL's (American and foreign) get 170 thou tax free. The numbers are included in OUR BUDGET and reflected for our GDP.

    By the way the Bush league "medicare reform" has no price cielings for medicine and most of the people who need it most (for example a friend who is retired teacher) fall JUST UNDER THE CIELING FOR NO MAX COVERAGE UNDER MEDICARE AND THE MIN. LEVEL FOR THEM IS THE SAME MINUS THEIR PREMIUM, COPAY AND THE MONEY THEY HAVE TO SPEND FOR THE LAST FOUR MONTHS OF THE YEAR. Yeah that is great the market is sooooo up! Med companies and HMOs go through the roof now! By the way you lose the choice of doctors and if the doc you go to says you need no help well second opinions will be an entirely different category!
    Dan Quayle the dumbest VP ever has a family whose Pharmacy empire made out like thieves off this "benefit for prescription drugs". More people than ever pay now as opposed to no flat rate costs under this if they have little or no current expense at bottom line, and people who do not get sick now find themselves paying for insurance at some level so medicine and insurance adds more dollars for less output in comparison. Some of the celebrated 95% category were going to be 100% covered previously and you can only choose ONE insuror to cover now for 2 insurance households (great for full time work families,huh?) before medicare kicks in. Basically it saves insurance companies expense and increases medicare covers for households with highest bills and cushions the private dollar for insurance in the meantime. Watch the wonderful Enron-style merging/acquisition helped by this bill also for insurance field especially the wonderful 2 coverage areas previously noted.

    As for W, his last major speech mentioned "9-11" and terror more times than ever. He has rode that horse dead and still does. His trip to Russia while visiting Iraq has bombed as well and he now finds himself using another Cuban distraction for smokescreen to save tail on yet another failed foreign policy tour. A soldier at his thanksgiving trip mentioned W's AWOL Nam guard duty days to his face and he just nodded, smiled and said "thanks , you too" while Cspan did a nice tape delay edit and all you could hear was the soldier say "VietBush" to end it and then speak over others until shrub moved away from him.

    Bush visited a base which issued a gag order for interviews the day before/after he went in the mainland states as well.Our soldiers opinions do not count in this now? That he even went to foreign soil in a combat zone (technically not so since we are not at war-mission accomplished) shows how bad his ratings are.


    The economy recovered from what? The bush recession? Oil prices stayed high, his family is big in oil money foreign and domestic. That certainly helped the bush league's money and Cheney as well, but their outstanding conflict of interest is overlooked in this matter and prices stay high to affect production and delivery costs and force higher retail prices as well.
    As stated previously get the GDP budget minus inflated defense dollars and see how bad things really are before you laud this so-called recovery.
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    "US Troops continue to die in massive numbers in Iraq," I dont know what your ideas of massive are?
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    Originally posted by t2thejz
    "US Troops continue to die in massive numbers in Iraq," I dont know what your ideas of massive are?
    Massive in comparison to not having gone into Iraq at all. Minimal in comparison to the cost of having to deal with Iraq in a few more years after they had fully rebuilt.
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    Yeah real scary, they had a loaded camel that was learning to swim and Saddam had a guy with an AK who would snorkel with him and reach Florida some time next century with it.
    That NO WMD's were found within days after the downfall DESPITE THE FACT that infrasctucture to such facilties was destroyed shows it was all a lie and bluff. With infrastructure decimated from the most accurate hard target ordinance in history we contained its relocation efforts and STILL our soldiers lives were proven a risk for a fraud. Bush was fraud, he has stolen the highest office, sold off our future via deficit and jobs via UNFAIR TRADE AGREEMENTS.

    1)Troops ARE dying in Iraq. But anyone who thought that no more casualties would occur after the major battles ended didn't think things through.

    You said it yourself, our leadership did not plan this through. So why defend those actions as valid ?
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    Originally posted by Mr.Murder
    Yeah real scary, they had a loaded camel that was learning to swim and Saddam had a guy with an AK who would snorkel with him and reach Florida some time next century with it.
    That NO WMD's were found within days after the downfall DESPITE THE FACT that infrasctucture to such facilties was destroyed shows it was all a lie and bluff. With infrastructure decimated from the most accurate hard target ordinance in history we contained its relocation efforts and STILL our soldiers lives were proven a risk for a fraud. Bush was fraud, he has stolen the highest office, sold off our future via deficit and jobs via UNFAIR TRADE AGREEMENTS.

    1)Troops ARE dying in Iraq. But anyone who thought that no more casualties would occur after the major battles ended didn't think things through.

    You said it yourself, our leadership did not plan this through. So why defend those actions as valid ?
    Clueless doesn't quite cover it. If the HIGHEST estimates of chemical and biological weapons production were correct, it would still only take 1-2 tanker/semi trucks to move ALL of it out of the country. It took more trucks than that to steal the money out of the Iraqi federal bank. And that doesn't even account for the months of time the Iraqi's had BEFORE the invasion when the UN was still dragging our feet. Facilities were found...but it's hardly surprising that the actual WMD's were not.
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    1)Troops ARE dying in Iraq. But anyone who thought that no more casualties would occur after the major battles ended didn't think things through.

    You said it yourself, our leadership did not plan this through. So why defend those actions as valid ?

    Those WMD were used in 45 days' time. And nothing found so far indicates any of the program was resumed after the FIRST war with the US. Check back in with some relevance. The truck that was a "mobile lab" was a photo-op fraud and proven so. More faux news please.


    The only thing terrorized of late is American jobs across the board. Suppose importing workers so their numbers count for our work force (?WTF?) numbers or counting money we give to foregin mulitnationals (Halliburton) are part of our "recovery". AFL-CIO spokesmen have already pointed out that we have outsourced American jobs for needful defense contracts inculding key things such as bomb component detonators. Bush league policies have made us less safe than ever.
    Bermuda supplied so many soldiers to this war, where Hallibruton is headquartered. At least make the company pay taxes on these secured noncompetetive bids so the net result would be a competetive bid price. Do it quick before they file bankruptcy like Ken Lay and still donate to shrubya's cause for campaign finances. Why do you think Cheney's company has such a stock problem right now despite massive cash inflow business and invested? Cooked books of course.

    Sins of omission and comission mount up. Bush had 29 pages of information hidden from 9-11 investigation. Bush was at a day care school while 9-11 happened after the FIRST PLANE had already hit the tower. What a photo op chimp he is! Almost smart enough to peel his own bananas.
    The chemical ordinance was gift from us, when Cheney was his business subcontractor and handshake covert aid front during the Iran hostage crisis. World war one technology was a threat to our great nation, or a bunch of Kurds we promised help for and then stranded in the desert to die? Face it the backstabs of the everyday American worker and family are so numerous these overlooked/underreported facts are not as relevant anyways OUTSIDE of the FACT OUR BLOOD IS BEING SPILLED THERE STILL. Why are our soldiers there? To escort Halliburton or Brown and Root convoys with their 170,000-a-year-tax-free U.S. dollar truckers.Let the Iraqis fight their subgroups instead of uniting them vs. us which happens more every day.
    Get arab nations to help with UN oversight, then anything that could go wrong with this democracy attempt would be addressed as the shortcomings of their own culture instead of the unwise or misappropriated US policy.
    And get that one-term clown out! He has republican judges, congress, and cabinet/execs. A regular three ringed circus. Trained PR pigs that can balance bad press (no budgets though).
    The key for evolution was the development of an opposable thumb. Opposition has its place in nature and is part what maintains balance. This group has lost budgetary balance and fallen into a deficit with tax payer's backs as a safety net. Nice to see free speech restrictions for commericals from private groups too, nicely ignored during the campaign of Haley Barber former RNC chair in a Southern state of Mississippi with its casino lobby. Repubs took governor and congress seats with a flood of commericals, dems commerical on bush are hitting home so hard the congress is moved to restrict free speech to avoid the spin of accountability. A dissenting justice called the decision "...a sad day for free speech..."

    By the way big business still has its untaxable donation status and loopholes. Just shut the people up, the gov't is not of by or for them now. Sell your own soul on where we stand and what matters, you have that right.
    Selling out other Americans on every issue we face across the board from jobs, and health care, and quality life, and education, and our security and the understanding of both how and why these things happened is something this American will voice against per issue.
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    Lol...you're a trip Murder. We'll be in the middle of an economic boom in 2004 and you'll still be complaining that Bush ruined the economy. As for this...

    "1)Troops ARE dying in Iraq. But anyone who thought that no more casualties would occur after the major battles ended didn't think things through.

    You said it yourself, our leadership did not plan this through. So why defend those actions as valid ?"

    As I recall, every time GW or any of his people said anything about Iraq they stated that conflict was still ongoing and that troops were still in jeopardy. Can you produce a single quote which states that the troops are no longer, or WILL no longer be in jeopardy? Or are you still just talking out your butt?
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