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    Of course they would have been smoked. The Knicks would have gotten pounded as well. What proves that this was an elite Houston team is that they won back to back titles the following year with essentially the same roster. The only major addition was Clyde Drexler. I guess you're gonna say Drexler wasn't a superstar either though right? Even though Scottie Pippen isn't a superstar and was better than Drexler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCane View Post
    Of course they would have been smoked. The Knicks would have gotten pounded as well. What proves that this was an elite Houston team is that they won back to back titles the following year with essentially the same roster. The only major addition was Clyde Drexler. I guess you're gonna say Drexler wasn't a superstar either though right? Even though Scottie Pippen isn't a superstar and was better than Drexler.
    I don't know if Scottie was better than Drexler but the '95 Rockets were not the same team as the '94 Rockets and them winning proves nothing about 1994.
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    This is getting asinine lol. The Houston Rockets had ELEVEN players from the 1993 - 1994 Houston Rockets team. It was essentially the same team. They added Clyde Drexler and that was it. 1993 - 1994 Houston Rockets were 16 - 8 in the playoffs. 1994 - 1995 Houston Rockets were 16 - 7 and had an easier opponent in the Finals lol. 1993 - 1994 Houston Rockets won 58 games. 1994 - 1995 Houston Rockets won 47. The first Rockets team was A LOT better defensively as well. They were deep and physical. It was a GREAT team. How are you arguing this?


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    Quote Originally Posted by JCane View Post
    This is getting asinine lol. The Houston Rockets had ELEVEN players from the 1993 - 1994 Houston Rockets team. It was essentially the same team. They added Clyde Drexler and that was it. 1993 - 1994 Houston Rockets were 16 - 8 in the playoffs. 1994 - 1995 Houston Rockets were 16 - 7 and had an easier opponent in the Finals lol. 1993 - 1994 Houston Rockets won 58 games. 1994 - 1995 Houston Rockets won 47. The first Rockets team was A LOT better defensively as well. They were deep and physical. It was a GREAT team. How are you arguing this?

    Players do develop and get better. Not only did they add an all-star but guys like Horry and Cassell became vets- that's a big difference PLUS the team now knew had to win. They were known as choke City prior to winning that title.

    Neither Rocket team was great but the '95 team was better. Either one would was not as good as any of the teams the Bulls beat in the Finals w/ the exception of the '91 Lakers.
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    How was the 1995 team better when they won less games? And one more year turns a guy into a veteran? Point is, either Rockets team would have beaten the immortal hell out of ANY of LeBron's teams. It would have been UGLY.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCane View Post
    How was the 1995 team better when they won less games? And one more year turns a guy into a veteran? Point is, either Rockets team would have beaten the immortal hell out of ANY of LeBron's teams. It would have been UGLY.
    Wheh teams learn how to win the record becomes meaningless. The '73 dolphins were better than '72 even though they lost 2 games.

    The '4 Rockets went to 7 games twice, the '95 squad just once and they swept in the Finals compared to going 7 in '94.

    Those teams would have beaten Lebron's Cavs b/c the star on that team played like a star. The '94 or '95 Rockets would not have won a title if you switched Lebron for Hakeem.
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    They played Orlando in the Finals lol.

    But you're exactly right, when a team learns how to win, their record does become meaningless. That's exactly what I was trying to say when you were pimping Cleveland's best record. They had no clue how to win close games. Boston had it figured out. They knew how to win and proved that they did. Took the 4th seed in the East, coasted at the end of the season, got healthy, and then flipped the switch in the playoffs.

    Same thing goes for Hakeem though. You take Hakeem, Jordan, or Kobe and put them with the 2010 Cavaliers...they aren't winning anything either. A superstar can carry a team but he can't win it all alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCane View Post
    They played Orlando in the Finals lol.

    But you're exactly right, when a team learns how to win, their record does become meaningless. That's exactly what I was trying to say when you were pimping Cleveland's best record. They had no clue how to win close games. Boston had it figured out. They knew how to win and proved that they did. Took the 4th seed in the East, coasted at the end of the season, got healthy, and then flipped the switch in the playoffs.

    Same thing goes for Hakeem though. You take Hakeem, Jordan, or Kobe and put them with the 2010 Cavaliers...they aren't winning anything either. A superstar can carry a team but he can't win it all alone.
    Penny was 1st team all NBA and Shaq was 2nd team. That team was more talented than the Knicks team Hou beat a year ago, they just weren't as experienced.

    You said Boston didn't care about winning b/c they knew they could win on the road. They know how to win but they really struggled on the raod in postseason in '08 and '09.

    You put Jordan on the 2010 Cavs and they EASILY win the title. I think Kobe at least gets them to the Finals, Hakeem I'm not so sure.
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    Dude...you're talking about 2008 and 2009. What kind of debate are we having here lol?

    That Orlando team had Penny and Shaq. That was about it. Shaq was YOUNG too. He was definitely outmatched by Olajuwon. At least Ewing was some tough competition. And that Knicks team would have beaten the hell out of the Magic. Ewing, Oakley, Starks, Mason...those were some mean dudes.

    And for the record, the 1995 Houston Rockets were a SIX seed lolololol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCane View Post
    Dude...you're talking about 2008 and 2009. What kind of debate are we having here lol?

    That Orlando team had Penny and Shaq. That was about it. Shaq was YOUNG too. He was definitely outmatched by Olajuwon. At least Ewing was some tough competition. And that Knicks team would have beaten the hell out of the Magic. Ewing, Oakley, Starks, Mason...those were some mean dudes.

    And for the record, the 1995 Houston Rockets were a SIX seed lolololol.
    '08 and '09, the only postseasons those Celtic teams played in where they were terrible on the road in postseason.

    Ewing was not any competition, the Knicks had Anthony Mason guarding Olajuwon alot in that series b/c Ewing couldn't handle him. Shaq and Penny were a better combo than Ewing and Derek Harper or Starks.

    That Magic team had no one- wasn't Horace Grant starting for that team? Isn't that one of the great players you credit for helping Jordan?

    Dennis Scott was also on that team and he was a better shooter than anyone the Knicks had. The oralndo team was much more talented than the '94 Knicks.

    The '95 Rockets leqrned how to win the year before and ha da better POSTSEASON than the '94 Rockets culminating w/ a SWEEP in the Finals instead of a 7 game series.

    The '95 magic beat the Bulls(Jordan wasn't himself yet but they were 13-4 w/ him in the reg season) and beat the Pacers who beat the Knicks.

    I did say neither Rocket team was great and they weren't. They took advantage of a Jordan-less 2 seasons behind a superstar that led a team that had no business being in the Finals to TWO titles much like Lebron should have been able to do in this weak era w/ no great teams.
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