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Thread: LeBron James...PROOF that Loyalty DOESN'T MATTER...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarshallFin1 View Post
    They wish it was socialism. Thats how much they loved there preciouz lebron, but as soon as he left, those backstabbing disloyal fans all turned on him in a second. They disgust me, karma is a bitch. If wade had left us this summer, i would have never turned on him, i would have supported him where ever he played, even without the championship he got us.
    It's so funny how Shaquille O'Neal never caught any flak for dumping Orlando on their faces after making it to the Finals. He bolts for Los Angeles who had arguably the best player in the league and then bounced from Los Angeles to come to Miami and play with another superstar. No one bangs on Shaq for that.

    "LeBron shouldn't have left Cleveland. Magic didn't have to leave. Bird didn't have to leave."

    Why would they leave when they themselves landed on ready-made teams? Yet we don't invalidate their titles for that. We consider them some of the greatest to ever put a basketball in their hands.

    Superstars don't come to Cleveland. They don't go to Sacramento or Milwaukee. Superstars go to New York, Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago and Miami.

    When was the last time Los Angeles got into a free agency battle with Portland and lost. How about New York losing a free agent to Indiana.

    Location absolutely matters and who you play with matters. As great as LeBron is and was, no one was coming to Cleveland when other superstars are in Chicago and Miami.

    These are facts.

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    It's incredible - there are still some drooling tards on realgm who want to put an asterisk on the season because of Rose (how did last season's playoff punking work out for Chi?) and Avery Bradley being out of the playoffs. I responded: likewise, how about putting an asterisk on the Heat's playoff season for Mike Miller (who in game 5, despite severe injuries, showed what role he was brought in to fulfill) being otherwise compromised -whereas if not, the Heat's playoff season would have likely been condensed by about 3 less games)

    Can't waste the day going down to Miami, but will definitely self-indulge by taking a break from working from 10-2 or so for parade-related coverage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCane View Post
    Tyler that doesn't apply to you since you have a "normal" job.

    It's ok for you to leave for greener pastures since your options may be a little limited compared to those with other wordly abilities and talents.

    If you have great talents and abilities, you should stay where you are and not maximize those abilities. You should sit on those abilities.

    Sounds like socialism to me.
    No, if you are someone who may be considered in the discussion for greatest of all time you should make players come to you rather than go somewhere else to try to take the easy way out.

    Quote Originally Posted by MarshallFin1 View Post
    doesnt matter how you arrive at your destination as long as you arrive there buddy and dont break any rules which lebron didnt. LT and lebron had the same common goal, ringchasing, except lebron got his and LT did not. Jets were in over there heads, guaranteeing going to the superbowl ect ect... you guys were dreamers.
    Yep, the LT situation and lebron situations were exactly the same

    Quote Originally Posted by JCane View Post
    It's so funny how Shaquille O'Neal never caught any flak for dumping Orlando on their faces after making it to the Finals. He bolts for Los Angeles who had arguably the best player in the league and then bounced from Los Angeles to come to Miami and play with another superstar. No one bangs on Shaq for that.

    "LeBron shouldn't have left Cleveland. Magic didn't have to leave. Bird didn't have to leave."

    Why would they leave when they themselves landed on ready-made teams? Yet we don't invalidate their titles for that. We consider them some of the greatest to ever put a basketball in their hands.

    Superstars don't come to Cleveland. They don't go to Sacramento or Milwaukee. Superstars go to New York, Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago and Miami.

    When was the last time Los Angeles got into a free agency battle with Portland and lost. How about New York losing a free agent to Indiana.

    Location absolutely matters and who you play with matters. As great as LeBron is and was, no one was coming to Cleveland when other superstars are in Chicago and Miami.

    These are facts.
    Shaq did catch heat for his decision, it wasn't as big for numerous reasons:

    1)as great as Shaq was he's not Lebron
    2)it was a different era where the coverage wasn't nearly as smothering as today
    3)he didn't go on TV and make some silly announcement

    Magic never would have left, Bird never would have left. They were the ultimate competitors, they were fortunate they didn't have to leave but if they didn't win 7-8 years int hey would have stuck it out and had other players come to them to win not the other way around.


    Is San Antonio a major market? what about Green Bay? Last I checked there isn't a market bigger than NY, how many guys have flocked to the Knicks? how many titles have they won?
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    So you admit that you have a double standard here.

    Shaq was the best player in the league at that time. Once Shaq went to the Lakers, the Western Conference gave up.

    Stars don't go to Green Bay. Stars don't go to San Antonio. Stars don't go to Cleveland.

    Youre proving my point more and more. Cleveland is an organization full of baboons. Green Bay is quite possibly the best ran organization in the whole NFL. Same can be said for San Antonio in the NBA. Both with great coaches and both who have drafted really well. San Antonio got very lucky having Robinson go down for a season and then landing Duncan.

    Pretty sure the Knicks have landed Carmelo and Amare. Two pretty big stars.

    But why haven't they won anything? Like I've said many many times, the Knicks are quite possibly the worst run professional sports franchise in all of the major sports just a ****dump from top to bottom. Even their mop boys are piss bucket quality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCane View Post
    So you admit that you have a double standard here.

    Shaq was the best player in the league at that time. Once Shaq went to the Lakers, the Western Conference gave up.

    Stars don't go to Green Bay. Stars don't go to San Antonio. Stars don't go to Cleveland.

    Youre proving my point more and more. Cleveland is an organization full of baboons. Green Bay is quite possibly the best ran organization in the whole NFL. Same can be said for San Antonio in the NBA. Both with great coaches and both who have drafted really well. San Antonio got very lucky having Robinson go down for a season and then landing Duncan.

    Pretty sure the Knicks have landed Carmelo and Amare. Two pretty big stars.

    But why haven't they won anything? Like I've said many many times, the Knicks are quite possibly the worst run professional sports franchise in all of the major sports just a ****dump from top to bottom. Even their mop boys are piss bucket quality.
    If you want to call it a double standard go ahead, I think it's a compliment to lebron mroe than anything.

    The West gave up once shaq went to LA? someone should have told Utah that who dominated the lakers or san Antonio.

    and yet GB and SA won have won mutliple titles in the last 15 or so years.

    GB wasn't considered the best run organization in football all those years where they couldn't make it to postseason, reggie White helped change that but stars don't go to GB.

    Amar'e and Carmelo are not stars, they are good to very good players who have never won anything and are just big names.
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    You're being disingenuous again with the typically convenient sliding scale of standards in this case you're hatefully attributing to LeBron in Cleveland vs Magic, Bird or MJ.

    Do you really think that LeBron would have left Cleveland in his 8th year if unlike those guys, his GMs and owners were folks like Jerry West, Dr Buss, and Red Auerbach who put together supporting casts included the likes of McHale, Parish, DJ, Worthy, Kareem, and Scotty Pippin instead of a clueless Dan Gilbert and Danny Ferry with supporting casts of Delonte West, Iggy, Mo Williams, Varajoe, etc ????? Or thinking that bringing in toasted Shaq would be the final championship piece vs bringing in Shane Battier and Mike Miller????? Playing for Buss and West or Micky Arrison and Riles vs the wall stickem guy and Danny Ferry??? Gimme a ****ing break!

    LeBron reupped once and gave management/ownership an opportunity to make the kind of trades Jerry West and Red Auerbach made in order to make and keep their iconic players relevant and competitive. ..Or as did the great Pat Riley bringing LeBron and Bosch in to keep his great superstar relevant.

    Frankly your analogies are as apples to apples as my asserting that The Rocket, if he was truly one of the most dominant pitchers in history, should have stayed on the then also-coming-up-short Red Sox instead of chasing pennants and World Championships on the forever powerhouse Yanks.
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    Big names = Stars

    You know the Lakers won three titles with Shaq, right? Phil Jackson (another star coming to Los Angeles) shows up and it was all over for the Western Conference.

    San Antonio, again, quite possibly the best run organization in basketball. San Antonio never had to rebuild since they lucked out with Duncan. Very similar to the Colts with Andrew Luck. Colts don't exactly have to rebuild now that they have a franchise QB for the next 12 years. If Duncan isn't draft by the Spurs, no way in hell does he volunteer to go their via free agency. Jason Kidd was a superstar. Dude was charmed by San Antonio when he was a free agent. Charmed by the same team that beat him. Not interested in San Antonio. Spurs have simply drafted incredibly well because they're so smart. Not to mention they have one of the best coaches in the history of the league.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaark View Post
    You're being disingenuous again with the typically convenient sliding scale of standards in this case you're hatefully attributing to LeBron in Cleveland vs Magic, Bird or MJ.

    Do you really think that LeBron would have left Cleveland in his 8th year if unlike those guys, his GMs and owners were folks like Jerry West, Dr Buss, and Red Auerbach who put together supporting casts included the likes of McHale, Parish, DJ, Worthy, Kareem, and Scotty Pippin instead of a clueless Dan Gilbert and Danny Ferry with supporting casts of Delonte West, Iggy, Mo Williams, Varajoe, etc ????? Or thinking that bringing in toasted Shaq would be the final championship piece vs bringing in Shane Battier and Mike Miller????? Playing for Buss and West or Micky Arrison and Riles vs the wall stickem guy and Danny Ferry??? Gimme a ****ing break!

    LeBron reupped once and gave management/ownership an opportunity to make the kind of trades Jerry West and Red Auerbach made in order to make and keep their iconic players relevant and competitive. ..Or as did the great Pat Riley bringing LeBron and Bosch in to keep his great superstar relevant.

    Frankly your analogies are as apples to apples as my asserting that The Rocket, if he was truly one of the most dominant pitchers in history, should have stayed on the then also-coming-up-short Red Sox instead of chasing pennants and World Championships on the forever powerhouse Yanks.
    The difference btw you and I is that I would criticize his decision no matter where he went(even i he did the unthinkable and went to the Nets), if lebron didn't go to Miami you'd be criticizing him but b/c you like the Heat you now defend him.

    Again, I hold him to a higher standard. I was looking forward to one day seeing him on a level w/ Michael but that will never happen b/c he took the easy way out and stars of that magnitude should never take the easy way out.

    By the way, I applaud him for playing the way he played this postseason. he was great, something basketball fans have been waiting to see for a long time. I congratulate him on doing what he and the heat did, I didn't bring this topic back up it was heat fans loking for validation for the way he slinked out Cleveland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaark View Post
    You're being disingenuous again with the typically convenient sliding scale of standards in this case you're hatefully attributing to LeBron in Cleveland vs Magic, Bird or MJ.

    Do you really think that LeBron would have left Cleveland in his 8th year if unlike those guys, his GMs and owners were folks like Jerry West, Dr Buss, and Red Auerbach who put together supporting casts included the likes of McHale, Parish, DJ, Worthy, Kareem, and Scotty Pippin instead of a clueless Dan Gilbert and Danny Ferry with supporting casts of Delonte West, Iggy, Mo Williams, Varajoe, etc ????? Or thinking that bringing in toasted Shaq would be the final championship piece vs bringing in Shane Battier and Mike Miller????? Playing for Buss and West or Micky Arrison and Riles vs the wall stickem guy and Danny Ferry??? Gimme a ****ing break!

    LeBron reupped once and gave management/ownership an opportunity to make the kind of trades Jerry West and Red Auerbach made in order to make and keep their iconic players relevant and competitive. ..Or as did the great Pat Riley bringing LeBron and Bosch in to keep his great superstar relevant.

    Frankly your analogies are as apples to apples as my asserting that The Rocket, if he was truly one of the most dominant pitchers in history, should have stayed on the then also-coming-up-short Red Sox instead of chasing pennants and World Championships on the forever powerhouse Yanks.

    You just opened yourself up for junk's rant about how Antwan Jamison was a two time all-star. Not to mention he had Shaq.

    LULZ. Dan Gilbert went to LeBron and asked him who he wanted him to go get lol. The top dawg asking a 21 year-old kid how to run the business. LeBron didn't even go to college. You think Dr. Jerry Buss goes to Kobe and asks him what to do? No lol. Dan Gilbert is every bit as clueless as nyjunc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCane View Post
    Big names = Stars

    You know the Lakers won three titles with Shaq, right? Phil Jackson (another star coming to Los Angeles) shows up and it was all over for the Western Conference.

    San Antonio, again, quite possibly the best run organization in basketball. San Antonio never had to rebuild since they lucked out with Duncan. Very similar to the Colts with Andrew Luck. Colts don't exactly have to rebuild now that they have a franchise QB for the next 12 years. If Duncan isn't draft by the Spurs, no way in hell does he volunteer to go their via free agency. Jason Kidd was a superstar. Dude was charmed by San Antonio when he was a free agent. Charmed by the same team that beat him. Not interested in San Antonio. Spurs have simply drafted incredibly well because they're so smart. Not to mention they have one of the best coaches in the history of the league.
    If memory serves me, a deadly serious Kobe threatened to go to the Clippers or the Bulls in FA if the Lakers didn't pull a rabbit out of their azzes like they did by stealing Pau. What more could LeBron do than re up and hope for the best.. which didn't happen?
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