So then we all agree that no matter what, LeBron had no chance of ever winning **** in Cleveland.
Now if we could only get nyjunc to see the light.
The way I see it, CLE may have tried to bring "talent" in to supposedly help LBJ. If you look back they brought in Moe Williams, West, Jamison, and Varejao. However, these moves didn't pan out how the front office envisioned. Was it sole decisions made by the front office or did James have a part in who to bring me. If it's just front office they are most to blame. Those moves and deals they gave out were horrendous, $55-60 million to Varejao?! That is stupid. Those types of deals might have forced LBJ out because they were only about6-8 million dollars under the cap without resigning James, so obviously they couldn't have brought in true talent. Would we be even here if Dan Gilbert listened to LBJ and those reports of trading for Stoudemire and not Jamison? I don't think he would have left. He did what was right for him. For god sakes he has averaged about 28-29 ppg for his career, he carried his team and city.
Just gonna leave this here so that we can see what LeBron was working with in Cleveland.
Zero first team All-Rookie Selections
Two All-Star game appearances (Mo Williams, Zydrunas llgauskas)
Zero All-NBA first team selection
Zero All-NBA second team selections
Zero All-Defensive first team selections
One All-Defensive second team selection (Anderson Vareajo)
Zero MVP Awards
And here's what Magic got to work with.
Two first team All-Rookie selections (Byron Scott, James Worthy)
11 All-Star appearances (Kareem Abdul-Jabbar seven times, Norm Nixon twice, Worthy, Jamaal Wilkes)
Four All-NBA first team selections (Abdul-Jabbar)
Two All-NBA second team selections (Abdul-Jabbar)
Five All-Defensive first team selections (Michael Cooper three times, Abdul-Jabbar twice)
Four All-Defensive second team selections (Cooper three times, Abdul-Jabbar once)
One MVP Award (Abdul-Jabbar)
In addition, Abdul-Jabbar, Worthy, Wilkes, Nixon, and Cooper all got votes for MVP at one point in time or the other during Magic's first seven years, and Cooper won defensive player of the year in Johnson's eighth year.
Ilgauskas was a 1st team all rookie selection
Moon was 2nd team all rookie
Anthony Parker is 4th in active 3P shooting %
Varejao was 2nd team all defense once
This was just this year's team.
Who is comparing this Cle team to what magic had? and back then there were legitimately great teams, where have those teams been in recent years? he lost to an aging Celtic team that has one championship and a year ago he lost to orlando who has never won a title. Again, we haven't seen truly great teams win championships for a long time now and he has had teams more than good enough to at the very least get to the Finals the last 2 years(and I think good enough to win it all if he played liked he was capable).
'10 Cle besides Lebron:
20 AS game apps(even taking out Shaq they have 5 former AS game apps)
1 future HOFer
4 players on all rookie teams
2 former all D members
1 former NBA MVP
'91 Bulls besides Jordan:
2 All Star Games
2 Rookie team members
1 all D