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    Quote Originally Posted by PhinzN703 View Post
    Not sure what baseball has to do with anything. Junc is right in that Ray Allen bailed the Heat out in Game 6 along with Duncan not being on the floor which led to SA's inability to get one more god damn rebound.

    What that does to James's legacy I could give a ****. I don't care who was/is better between Jordan and James.
    My point was that you junc is using some exact scenario to make make a point when the exact nature of what happened is irrelevant.

    Whats the difference between Paxon hitting a game winning 3 off a pass as opposed to Allen hitting a 3 off a miss, the a rebound then a pass? Either way you want to look at it, a lesser player made a suerior player look good.




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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    No one ever aid that, he missed many GW shots but that is a poor example. That was a month after his 2 year layoff.



    I don't know, no one knows but I am pretty confident he would have won titles in Cleveland.

    NBA champs in '93 w/ Jordan, 2nd rd exit in '94 w/o him.

    Jordan got drafted into a terrible situation, an awful team and franchise. Jordan would have turned around any franchise.

    Yes, losing 2 finals is losing 2 finals. Jordan would have 8-10 titles if he didn't retire multiple times.

    Brady at 3-2 is worse than Montana at 4-0 and even if Brady wins another he still has 2 losses on his resume. That's a major reason why Montana is probably 1 and Brady 2 or 3 all time.



    Magic played in an era w/ TRULY great teams, Lebron played in a MUCH weaker era and he never lost to a team as weak as Dallas 2011.

    I sound ridiculous to YOU b/c you are a homer and can't deal w/ reality. That doesn't bother me.
    Am I a homer? Maybe. I attempt to be objective even though I sometimes fail. I also root for the name on the front of the jersey and not the one on the back. Lebron is probably my 3rd favorite player on the heat. If you told me that the heat win the next 5 titles and wade or bosh win finals MVP each time while Lebron sucks, I'm taking that choice all day. I care much more about the heats fortunes than lebrons. But let's see who sounds more reasonable. I've said already that Jordan, right now should be considered the GOAT. I've also said that Lebron has a chance to lay claim to that title after he retires. You on the other hand say that Lebron has no chance, never can, impossible, no way to ever be considered as good as Jordan and than use the flimsiest of reasons. One of us thinks the book is still open, the other is dealing in absolutes with no possibility of wavering. You know who else thinks Lebron has a chance? Magic, the guy you were quoting earlier to support another point you were making.
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    LeBron gets lucky because he goes to a ready made team and is bailed out to save his legacy.

    Yet no talk of Magic getting lucky being drafted by a ready made team. It's ok because he was drafted there lol.

    The team around you is either capable of winning or they're not.

    Cleveland wasn't and never would have been. Great call by LeBron.

    Hate on, junk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCane View Post
    LeBron gets lucky because he goes to a ready made team and is bailed out to save his legacy.

    Yet no talk of Magic getting lucky being drafted by a ready made team. It's ok because he was drafted there lol.

    The team around you is either capable of winning or they're not.

    Cleveland wasn't and never would have been. Great call by LeBron.

    Hate on, junk.
    If Jordan's best teammate was mo frickin Williams, he's not winning any titles either. The cavs go from a 61 win team to a 19 win team with the second worst record in the league when Lebron left. Jordan leaves the bulls in 1993 and they go from a 57 win team to a 55 win team and lose in 7 in the playoffs to the Knicks who were one game away from a title thanks to a 2-18 game from Starks. Jordan was the best player on a team that was still really good without him. Lebron was the best player on an awful team without him. Oh and Jordan did have Phil Jackson too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tylerdolphin View Post
    My point was that you junc is using some exact scenario to make make a point when the exact nature of what happened is irrelevant.

    Whats the difference between Paxon hitting a game winning 3 off a pass as opposed to Allen hitting a 3 off a miss, the a rebound then a pass? Either way you want to look at it, a lesser player made a suerior player look good.
    Paxon never saved Jordan, if allen misses that shot(after a Lebron brick by the way) Miami loses the series, if Paxon misses Chicago has another game and Paxon was so open b/c of Jordan, Allen was open on a loose ball situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry_Bagpipe View Post
    Am I a homer? Maybe. I attempt to be objective even though I sometimes fail. I also root for the name on the front of the jersey and not the one on the back. Lebron is probably my 3rd favorite player on the heat. If you told me that the heat win the next 5 titles and wade or bosh win finals MVP each time while Lebron sucks, I'm taking that choice all day. I care much more about the heats fortunes than lebrons. But let's see who sounds more reasonable. I've said already that Jordan, right now should be considered the GOAT. I've also said that Lebron has a chance to lay claim to that title after he retires. You on the other hand say that Lebron has no chance, never can, impossible, no way to ever be considered as good as Jordan and than use the flimsiest of reasons. One of us thinks the book is still open, the other is dealing in absolutes with no possibility of wavering. You know who else thinks Lebron has a chance? Magic, the guy you were quoting earlier to support another point you were making.
    it is my opinion that I do not believe he has any chance. He'd either have to win 12 titles to pass Russell or win as many as 6 w/o a loss. That's already out and he's getting nowhere near 12. I think he'll end up top 5, that's an honor not a knock.

    Quote Originally Posted by JCane View Post
    LeBron gets lucky because he goes to a ready made team and is bailed out to save his legacy.

    Yet no talk of Magic getting lucky being drafted by a ready made team. It's ok because he was drafted there lol.

    The team around you is either capable of winning or they're not.

    Cleveland wasn't and never would have been. Great call by LeBron.

    Hate on, junk.
    Magic got lucky he went to a good team but they were only 47-35 the year before they got him so they weren't some superteam and he didn't conspire w/ other players to win titles. Not to mention he was a ROOKIE so he wasn't nearly as good as he would eventually be down the road.

    Cleveland was capable, they didn't win b/c their best player came up small in postseason and didn't have anyone to bail him out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry_Bagpipe View Post
    If Jordan's best teammate was mo frickin Williams, he's not winning any titles either. The cavs go from a 61 win team to a 19 win team with the second worst record in the league when Lebron left. Jordan leaves the bulls in 1993 and they go from a 57 win team to a 55 win team and lose in 7 in the playoffs to the Knicks who were one game away from a title thanks to a 2-18 game from Starks. Jordan was the best player on a team that was still really good without him. Lebron was the best player on an awful team without him. Oh and Jordan did have Phil Jackson too.
    In the weak NBA of this era Jordan would have won a title in Cleveland, not right away but he would have won.
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    You can not say MJ would have won with that team when he lost several times in the first round of the playoffs without Pippen and such.

    Thats like saying oh Lebron would have won those titles if he was on that Bulls team.

    Please Mj was the best in his Era and Lebron is the best in his. Let the man finish his career before you make claims as to Mj is better. The fact is Lebron is ahead of MJ in all aspects including hardware right now. We will see what happens when we retires and go from there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatness920 View Post
    You can not say MJ would have won with that team when he lost several times in the first round of the playoffs without Pippen and such.

    Thats like saying oh Lebron would have won those titles if he was on that Bulls team.

    Please Mj was the best in his Era and Lebron is the best in his. Let the man finish his career before you make claims as to Mj is better. The fact is Lebron is ahead of MJ in all aspects including hardware right now. We will see what happens when we retires and go from there.
    He was a young player and the NBA had dynasties at that time, he needed to improve his game, become less selfish and learn how to win which he eventually did.

    I wouldn't say LeBron is the best in his era just yet, Kobe has been every bit as good, if not better. At the very least it is a discussion, there's no discussion in Michael's era.

    I like watching Lebron play, I appreciate greatness and not only is he great but he works to get better each year. I ADMIRE that. I am not bashing him in any way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    He was a young player and the NBA had dynasties at that time, he needed to improve his game, become less selfish and learn how to win which he eventually did.

    I wouldn't say LeBron is the best in his era just yet, Kobe has been every bit as good, if not better. At the very least it is a discussion, there's no discussion in Michael's era.

    I like watching Lebron play, I appreciate greatness and not only is he great but he works to get better each year. I ADMIRE that. I am not bashing him in any way.
    Say anything wrong or negative about James and it's your ass. At least here and only since the last 3 years...
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