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Thread: LeBron James...PROOF that Loyalty DOESN'T MATTER...

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    Keyword help. Help make a great team. Can't do it alone. He should have been able to win given Cleveland surround him with talent to help him.

    By the way, Matt Barnes to the Lakers. Solid defender. Gave Kobe, LeBron, and other superstars in the league fits. Took $3.6M instead of taking $7M...from Cleveland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCane View Post
    Keyword help. Help make a great team. Can't do it alone. He should have been able to win given Cleveland surround him with talent to help him.

    By the way, Matt Barnes to the Lakers. Solid defender. Gave Kobe, LeBron, and other superstars in the league fits. Took $3.6M instead of taking $7M...from Cleveland.
    If James committed to Cleveland other FAs would have signed there, who wants to go there if they know he is leaving?
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    No one wanted to go there to begin with. It's Cleveland. Other superstars have been undecided on their futures and people still sign. The Lakers don't have any trouble landing players. The Mavericks were capable of trading for whoever when Dirk wasn't sure where he was going. San Antonio does a good job of the same. What do these franchises have in common? Great franchises, great owners, great places to live. It absolutely matters. You can't pin it all on LeBron because people don't want to go play in miserable Northeast Ohio.

    Matt Barnes took HALF the money to go to Los Angeles. Blame LeBron all you wish, but Gilbert hurt that franchise by saying what he said about LeBron more than LeBron did to the franchise by leaving. What agent is going to push players to Cleveland after a rant like that? What player is going to want to go play for an owner who pulls this kind of ****. And it's not the first time that Gilbert has trashed his players. Bad owner, bad team, career suicide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCane View Post
    No one wanted to go there to begin with. It's Cleveland. Other superstars have been undecided on their futures and people still sign. The Lakers don't have any trouble landing players. The Mavericks were capable of trading for whoever when Dirk wasn't sure where he was going. San Antonio does a good job of the same. What do these franchises have in common? Great franchises, great owners, great places to live. It absolutely matters. You can't pin it all on LeBron because people don't want to go play in miserable Northeast Ohio.

    Matt Barnes took HALF the money to go to Los Angeles. Blame LeBron all you wish, but Gilbert hurt that franchise by saying what he said about LeBron more than LeBron did to the franchise by leaving. What agent is going to push players to Cleveland after a rant like that? What player is going to want to go play for an owner who pulls this kind of ****. And it's not the first time that Gilbert has trashed his players. Bad owner, bad team, career suicide.
    Barnes and other FAs are doing what Lebron did- he wants to hop on board opf a championship train. If Lebron committed long term they could have lured plenty of FAs.

    and if Cle signed Barnes and while Lebron was there you'd tell us how he sucks and use that excuse for lebron but b/c he goes to LA now he's great. He's an average player who got some fame b/c he took some cheap shots at Kobe in one game.
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    Name the free agents Cleveland would have lured with LeBron James. Not Chris Bosh. Not Amar'e Stoudemire.

    Matt Barnes isn't a great player. I'm not going to fabricate some bogus story about how Barnes is great. He's a premium defensive player. That's why the Lakers want him. Lakers do this all the time. Guys who give Kobe fits; Lakers go out and sign them. Raja Bell, Ron Artest, Matt Barnes. Paul Gasol and Ron Artest are great players. Matt Barnes not so much. Matt Barnes will make solid contributions in Los Angeles. If LeBron stays in Cleveland and Cleveland signs Matt Barnes then of course he's trash.

    There's different expectations of Matt Barnes in Cleveland than there is in Los Angeles. Cleveland needs Matt Barnes to be A LOT more than just a defender. Los Angeles just needs Matt Barnes to stick up LeBron and Wade in the Finals this season. That's it. That's all they're asking. They have Kobe, Gasol, and Artest to do all the hard work. Matt Barnes is the 7th or 8th option in Los Angeles. In Cleveland he's starting.

    Swap Kobe and LeBron and LeBron wins the titles and Kobe doesn't. NOW, if you were to take the 2010 Cleveland team and put Kobe with them AND Phil Jackson...NOW you have a title team. Phil Jackson will get a hell of a lot more out of scrubs like Jamario Moon and JJ Hickson than Mike Brown could ever dream of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCane View Post
    Name the free agents Cleveland would have lured with LeBron James. Not Chris Bosh. Not Amar'e Stoudemire.

    Matt Barnes isn't a great player. I'm not going to fabricate some bogus story about how Barnes is great. He's a premium defensive player. That's why the Lakers want him. Lakers do this all the time. Guys who give Kobe fits; Lakers go out and sign them. Raja Bell, Ron Artest, Matt Barnes. Paul Gasol and Ron Artest are great players. Matt Barnes not so much. Matt Barnes will make solid contributions in Los Angeles. If LeBron stays in Cleveland and Cleveland signs Matt Barnes then of course he's trash.

    There's different expectations of Matt Barnes in Cleveland than there is in Los Angeles. Cleveland needs Matt Barnes to be A LOT more than just a defender. Los Angeles just needs Matt Barnes to stick up LeBron and Wade in the Finals this season. That's it. That's all they're asking. They have Kobe, Gasol, and Artest to do all the hard work. Matt Barnes is the 7th or 8th option in Los Angeles. In Cleveland he's starting.

    Swap Kobe and LeBron and LeBron wins the titles and Kobe doesn't. NOW, if you were to take the 2010 Cleveland team and put Kobe with them AND Phil Jackson...NOW you have a title team. Phil Jackson will get a hell of a lot more out of scrubs like Jamario Moon and JJ Hickson than Mike Brown could ever dream of.
    They certainly could have lured Stoudemire if lebron was committed.

    Swap Kobe and lebron and Lebron has zero title the last 2 years and Kobe has 1 title.
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    You really think Phil Jackson fails with LeBron James? Hell no. Your hate for LeBron is unreal lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCane View Post
    You really think Phil Jackson fails with LeBron James? Hell no. Your hate for LeBron is unreal lol.
    I don't hate Lebron, I just lost respect for him. Phil is the best coach of all time but if a man cannot perform under pressure there's not much he can do. The Laker teams of the past 2 years haven't been great teams, apparently Lebron needs superstars around him to win so how could he have won in LA?
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    Kobe shot 6 - 24 in game seven against Boston. Not sure LeBron can play much worse than that. Kobe's "help" was enough to get it done. When your team can win inspite of a superstar's struggles that is the mark of a great team. How bad did Cleveland get blown out when LeBron was off? That team couldn't win without LeBron and you'll see it this year. When you say "great" you're using the term in comparison to past NBA champions. I'm not. A great team is a great team relevant to the season at hand. Los Angeles and Boston were both great teams.

    Yeah, Phil and LeBron would have got it done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCane View Post
    Kobe shot 6 - 24 in game seven against Boston. Not sure LeBron can play much worse than that. Kobe's "help" was enough to get it done. When your team can win inspite of a superstar's struggles that is the mark of a great team. How bad did Cleveland get blown out when LeBron was off? That team couldn't win without LeBron and you'll see it this year. When you say "great" you're using the term in comparison to past NBA champions. I'm not. A great team is a great team relevant to the season at hand. Los Angeles and Boston were both great teams.

    Yeah, Phil and LeBron would have got it done.
    They beat an old, breaking down Celtic team and while his teammates came through he didn't have 2 awful games ina row in games 6 and 7 like Lebron in game's 5 & 6.

    How weak is lebron? http://twitter.com/PDcavsinsider/status/19413970575

    He's just not a competitor. Wants Paul in the West
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