of course a QB can have a bad game but when you compound it by putting back to back bad games together you start to have a problem.
buttfumble lost key guys as well- he lost a huge playmaker in leon, he didn't get braylon until game 5, he lost cotch for a game and he was playing hurt many other games, greene had injury problems, we lost kris Jenkins for the year, we had a revovling door at the corner opposite Revis. Let's not act like it was smooth sailing for us.
Also, another interesting point to make is that Henne's numbers might be a little different if he wasn't being rotated in and out from the wildcat - particularly in the redzone.
One aspect of it that I don't like is that it puts him in a bad position if it doesn't go well. It breaks his rhythm and often requires him to come in an obvious passing situation.
Weighing the good with the bad, I love the Wildcat, but if we are going to throw stats around, let's keep that in mind too.
Miami did have the number 1 rushing offense in the league before the Jets did as well earlier in the year.
so let me try and put all of this together....he was playing his best football in those three games, and the SD game was better than the Indy game, but you aren't saying tha the was great in the SD game. so at his best, he was only at most, great in 1 football game all year (the CIN playoff game). and that was damn impressive to you.Originally Posted by nyjunc
...looks like you have a real gem on your hands!
And buttfumble did indeed have 3 games in a row where he played miserably: weeks 4-6, 1-8 td/int ratio, 429 yards, passer ratings of 51.9, 50, and 34.5.
Henne might not have pulled off the wins the last 3 weeks, but he certainly dug us out of holes and gave us a chance. Our defense was giving up close to 30 points. During the Jets "must win" game at the end of the season, your defense gave up 10 points.
The Jets lost a few players, but were in better position the dropoff wasn't as drastic. Miami has been a less talented team to begin with, losing key positions(QB, RB, LG, C, DT, the only non-rookie CB, RB/KR) was much more devastating because we didnt have more talent surrounding it.
I understand your grasping at straws to support your caretaker. Yet when the game is in buttfumble's hands, he folded. Consistently. When that smash mouth ground game is running hard, when that offensive line opens up holes you can drive a truck through, when your defense is smothering, when your special teams is kicking everything through the uprights from any part of the field, buttfumble has does a great job. When they "struggle"(especially defense, though again, it hardly looks like struggling in comparison) and its up to buttfumble to pull it out...it hasn't happened.
Mnphinfan linked a brilliant write up from Phinsider.com at the beginning of the thread. Ill post it again for those that don't feel like fighting through 9 pages:
Some numbers to consider beside Henne leading in Int's, completions %, and QB rating.
Number of 300 yds games career
Henne: 3 buttfumble 0
Number of games with 20 or more completions:
Henne 5 buttfumble 1
Number of TD passes in the fourth quarter of a win.
Henne 3 buttfumble 0
Number of 4th quarter game winning drives…as in led the team to a TD or FG which gave them a lead in the 4th quarter which held up and won the game.
Henne 4 buttfumble 0
Chad Henne has 7 career wins in 13 NFL starts
Mark buttfumble has 10 – in 18 NFL starts (including playoffs)
You can argue, with out a lot of difficulty, that Henne “won” four of his seven Dolphin victories by doing the things you want a quarterback to do. Move the ball in the fourth quarter and create points when you need them.
The Jets did not win a single game on Mark buttfumble’s arm. In their 10 wins whith him under center he passed for over 200 yds once…that was on opening day. In five of his 10 wins buttfumble passed for under 150 yds. In his We all know about the 20 ints, but 18 starts last year buttfumble had fewer than 15 completions 12 times.
Handing the ball off 40 times a game is not the measure of a great quarterback.
Winning games in the fourth quarter with your arm is.
maybe, in your eyes, henne's most important game last year was the one against the jets.....but for the jets the most important games happened after the fins flunked on the season. thats where this conversation is getting screwed up it seems. you fins fans act like the fins/jets games were superbowl wins for you guys.
You made the point yourself without a running back buttfumble is SHUT DOWN!!! ZERO points as soon as Green got hurt. buttfumble was a JOKE last year. He was the beneficiary of the #1 running game and #1 defense. Put buttfumble on the Lions and he is lucky to win a game. Let's compare buttfumble numbers with Stafford (QB of a 2-14 team)...
buttfumble...53.8% completion, 12 TD, 20 INT, 10 fumbles, 3 lost fumbles
Stafford...61% completion, 13 TD, 20 INT, 4 fumbles, 1 lost fumble
Face it, buttfumble was a DISASTER last year who is extremely careless with the football. Put a decent QB on the Jets last year and your team may have won 14 games last year and make it to and perhaps win the Super Bowl. buttfumble gives new meaning to the word OVERRATED.