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    John Clayton's Dec. 31st cap figures

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...ohn&id=1510617


    According to John Clayton/ESPN, we're currently over the salary cap for next season by 9.48 million, which is signifigantly less then most people have said.
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    Can anyone explain the discrepancies? maybe he already cut griese for us

    It'd be nice if we were only 9.5 mil over, a lot easier to get down from that than the 17 mil I've seen elsewhere
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    It all has to do with how the bonuses are applied to the cap. One thing I've not been able to get an answer for is how option payments apply to the cap. This would apply to Fiedler, who has a $2 million option payment due mid April. Does it count $2 million until exercised? Does it count now at all or not until exercised? I know option payments can be amortized but the original amount applies to the cap in some capacity.

    NOTE about Clayton's numbers: They do not include any cap adjustments because they are not finalized until the Pro-Bowl is over and Ricky Williams' salary increase.

    Disgustipate: The stuff you've seen have stated how much needs to be cleared in order to become cap compliant AND tender RFAs and EFAs. It will take about $4 million to extend the tenders to those players.
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    Clumped, the options do not count until excerised. So it would be that much more if his bonus is exercised.
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    Originally posted by PhinsmissedFG
    Clumped, the options do not count until excerised. So it would be that much more if his bonus is exercised.
    How do you figure that???
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    Some portion of the bonus must apply at all times
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    Originally posted by clumpedplatelet
    Some portion of the bonus must apply at all times
    Couldn't agree more. Whenever the Collective Bargainning Agreeemnt (CBA) speaks out to Salary it's to include it in Team Salary. The general rule is to include all salary and anything that coulld be deemed compensation. In Article XXIV Section 6: "Computation of Team Salary" they list everything they can think of as salary and the last subsection (g) states " Other Amounts. Any other Salary not listed above paid to players shall be included in Team Salary."

    The intent of the CBA is to include all compensation when reporting salary so no team has an unfair advantage. This point is made clear with the provision that: loans guaranteed by the team or loans that may not be paid back are to be considered salary. Tender amounts when made are considered salary and when the decision is made, a new contract or withdrawal of tender, the consequences are recorded. This is a good analogy with an option.

    The only sections that limit salary are very specific. Siging bonuses and anything that is considered a signing bonus, which they have a detailed list, is to be prorated. The present value of guarranteed second tier of two year signing bonus are to be included in team salary the year the contract is signed. All incentives except NLTBE are included in current Team Salary.
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    A roster bonus does not count against the cap until is given to the player. It is not guaranteed thus it doesn't count until exercised.
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    Originally posted by PhinsmissedFG
    A roster bonus does not count against the cap until is given to the player. It is not guaranteed thus it doesn't count until exercised.
    Again how do you figure that???
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    Originally posted by PhinsmissedFG
    A roster bonus does not count against the cap until is given to the player. It is not guaranteed thus it doesn't count until exercised.

    I disagree 110%. A team must account for the roster bonus on their salary cap in anticipation of paying the bonus even if they do not plan on paying it. The only bonuses that do not count on the salary cap are LTBE bonuses because these are not set until the final 53 man roster is set. This is one of the reasons the Pats had to release Milloy, they would have been over the cap without a restructure or release of some player on their roster. Milloy refused to restructure the way the Pats wanted and he was ultimately released saving more cap space than the Pats needed to free up.
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