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Thread: Why do Sparano's Miami Dolphins match up so well against Rex Ryan's NY Jets?

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    One game is luck, heck I will give you two games. Four out of five? There is much more to it than just luck.
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    Chad Henne's one strength is playing against blitz-happy defenses, especially those that play single-high looks. That is Rex Ryan's defense to a T. For as much of a defensive genius as everyone claims Rex to be, you would think he would have learned that and played the bracket coverages that Henne struggles with. But he doesn't, he is too stubborn for that. Especially last year, there was absolutely no reason for him to pull that safety down into the box; our run game was atrocious. He did it anyways, and Henne torched that defense. If Henning didn't go super conservative with his playcalling whenever we were in the Meadowlands, we'd probably put up a lot more points in those meetings. Not saying we would have for sure, but anyone who didn't see a difference in aggressiveness at home and when we were in NY wasn't watching the games.

    Defensively, our defense matches up very well with their offense. They are a run-first team that thrives off of the play action. That first game we were missing Crowder and Smith was out, and whether people like it or not, that is why their offense was able to move the ball so well. That second game, Crowder was in and Smith was actually playing well and they couldn't get much of anything going. We shut down their run, which took away the threat of the playaction. It's no surprise the entire offense stalled. That first game they were the running the ball pretty well, which made the play action pretty effective. That and Jason Allen was a joke of a corner. If you shut down the Jet's run, you take away the most dangerous part of that offense. The Phin's defense is one of the few that is able to do that without bringing a safety down into the box.

    All of you guys saying blaming that loss to the Phins on the Santonio Holmes drop are completely forgetting that it happened early in the third quarter if I remember right. It would have been a COMPLETELY different game if we were down. We went into retard-conservative mode with Henning's playcalling because we were up. If we were down, it still would have been retard-conservative mode, but he would have actively been trying to get some points. You guys lost that game because buttfumble played like sh*t against our defense, bottom line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    If you are going to note the only win came down to the wire you must also not that all 3 of Miami's wins have come down to the wire and the largest margin of victory in the 4 games was the Jets 8 pt win last year.

    Miami is not a bad team, they can play w/ pretty much anyone. They had some breaks go their way and capitalized in those 3 wins. All 4 games btw the 2 could have gone either way, one of the wins Miami had THREE non offensive TDs and won by just 5, last year in a game that set offesinsive football back 100 years they won by 4 and Holmes dropped a wide open TD pass. The Jets are clearly the better team but Miami can play w/ anyone for a game, their problems have been focusing against the average/bad teams.
    Everything you said is correct except the part about the Jets clearly being the better team. I'd say they are pretty even. The Jets overachieved making the AFC Championship. buttfumble is way over-rated. I'm not saying the Jets suck, b/c they don't. Thank Rex for getting you there. I can't stand Rex, but I have to give credit where credit is due. He is a very good coach. He has that team believing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Locke View Post
    Chad Henne's one strength is playing against blitz-happy defenses, especially those that play single-high looks. That is Rex Ryan's defense to a T. For as much of a defensive genius as everyone claims Rex to be, you would think he would have learned that and played the bracket coverages that Henne struggles with. But he doesn't, he is too stubborn for that. Especially last year, there was absolutely no reason for him to pull that safety down into the box; our run game was atrocious. He did it anyways, and Henne torched that defense. If Henning didn't go super conservative with his playcalling whenever we were in the Meadowlands, we'd probably put up a lot more points in those meetings. Not saying we would have for sure, but anyone who didn't see a difference in aggressiveness at home and when we were in NY wasn't watching the games.

    Defensively, our defense matches up very well with their offense. They are a run-first team that thrives off of the play action. That first game we were missing Crowder and Smith was out, and whether people like it or not, that is why their offense was able to move the ball so well. That second game, Crowder was in and Smith was actually playing well and they couldn't get much of anything going. We shut down their run, which took away the threat of the playaction. It's no surprise the entire offense stalled. That first game they were the running the ball pretty well, which made the play action pretty effective. That and Jason Allen was a joke of a corner. If you shut down the Jet's run, you take away the most dangerous part of that offense. The Phin's defense is one of the few that is able to do that without bringing a safety down into the box.

    All of you guys saying blaming that loss to the Phins on the Santonio Holmes drop are completely forgetting that it happened early in the third quarter if I remember right. It would have been a COMPLETELY different game if we were down. We went into retard-conservative mode with Henning's playcalling because we were up. If we were down, it still would have been retard-conservative mode, but he would have actively been trying to get some points. You guys lost that game because buttfumble played like sh*t against our defense, bottom line.
    You aren't 3-1 against s b/c of Henne. In the last 2 wins against us henne has thrown for a combined 17-39, 167 yds, 2, TDs, 0 INTs, led his O to 19 pts total. The only positive was that he didn't turn it over but in most games performances like he had would not be enough to beat anyone let alone a team as good as the Jets.

    As far as your D vs. our O, our O dominated your D in the 1st game and your D dominated our O in the rematch. In 3 of the 4 games buttfumble has had big games. The biggest reason you shut us down in that rematch was b/c our O was still in a 3 week long funk that we wouldn't start to break out of until the following week at Pitt.

    You couldn't move the ball all game long, if Holmes hangs on and we go ahead we are likely winning that game. Miami had 131 net yds and 6 1st downs, both of your scores were ste up by turnovers in jets territory including getting the ball at the NYJ 26 to set up the TD. Your O couldn't do anything all game, it wasn't about being conservative. If Holmes holds on to that TD(which was in the 2nd qtr) the chances are that we at the very least see OT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hemidemon View Post
    Everything you said is correct except the part about the Jets clearly being the better team. I'd say they are pretty even. The Jets overachieved making the AFC Championship. buttfumble is way over-rated. I'm not saying the Jets suck, b/c they don't. Thank Rex for getting you there. I can't stand Rex, but I have to give credit where credit is due. He is a very good coach. He has that team believing.
    You can say buttfumble is overrated and we overachieved but the proof is in the record. We have 6 more wins in the reg season the last 2 years and 4 more in postseason- that's 10 more wins than Miami. We have been significantly better. That doesn;t mean going forward Miami doesn't have a chance to compete w/ us for postseason but there's no doubt who the better team has been despite the head to head record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Locke View Post
    Chad Henne's one strength is playing against blitz-happy defenses, especially those that play single-high looks. That is Rex Ryan's defense to a T. For as much of a defensive genius as everyone claims Rex to be, you would think he would have learned that and played the bracket coverages that Henne struggles with. But he doesn't, he is too stubborn for that. Especially last year, there was absolutely no reason for him to pull that safety down into the box; our run game was atrocious. He did it anyways, and Henne torched that defense. If Henning didn't go super conservative with his playcalling whenever we were in the Meadowlands, we'd probably put up a lot more points in those meetings. Not saying we would have for sure, but anyone who didn't see a difference in aggressiveness at home and when we were in NY wasn't watching the games.

    Defensively, our defense matches up very well with their offense. They are a run-first team that thrives off of the play action. That first game we were missing Crowder and Smith was out, and whether people like it or not, that is why their offense was able to move the ball so well. That second game, Crowder was in and Smith was actually playing well and they couldn't get much of anything going. We shut down their run, which took away the threat of the playaction. It's no surprise the entire offense stalled. That first game they were the running the ball pretty well, which made the play action pretty effective. That and Jason Allen was a joke of a corner. If you shut down the Jet's run, you take away the most dangerous part of that offense. The Phin's defense is one of the few that is able to do that without bringing a safety down into the box.

    All of you guys saying blaming that loss to the Phins on the Santonio Holmes drop are completely forgetting that it happened early in the third quarter if I remember right. It would have been a COMPLETELY different game if we were down. We went into retard-conservative mode with Henning's playcalling because we were up. If we were down, it still would have been retard-conservative mode, but he would have actively been trying to get some points. You guys lost that game because buttfumble played like sh*t against our defense, bottom line.

    Lets not act like Henne plays great against the Jets every time. He did good the first time because they didn't game plan for him and the defense played like trash with the miss tackles. And the other game he played good against the Jets was when Revis didn't play and Marshall had a huge game. The Jets tried playing too much zone, when they had Cromartie playing up in press with Marshall he was able to cover him, but when he was playing back in zone he looked lost.

    Chad Henne had 55 yards and completed 27% of his passes the 2nd game, don't act like he played great against the Jets in the meadowlands and that it was because they went conservative and if we had scored they would have moved it awesomingly. Henne played like **** that game too. Revis blanketed Bess and Cromartie blanketed Marshall.

    And the other game Henne had at the meadowlands he had 112 yards and sacked 5 times, played like **** but was lucky that Ginn had 2 KR for TDs against usually a great kick coverage team and Jason Taylor returning a fumble for a TD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hemidemon View Post
    Everything you said is correct except the part about the Jets clearly being the better team. I'd say they are pretty even. The Jets overachieved making the AFC Championship. buttfumble is way over-rated. I'm not saying the Jets suck, b/c they don't. Thank Rex for getting you there. I can't stand Rex, but I have to give credit where credit is due. He is a very good coach. He has that team believing.
    So if the Jets had won the SB you would still be saying that they aren't better than the Dolphins and that they are even. ok
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    You can say buttfumble is overrated and we overachieved but the proof is in the record. We have 6 more wins in the reg season the last 2 years and 4 more in postseason- that's 10 more wins than Miami. We have been significantly better. That doesn;t mean going forward Miami doesn't have a chance to compete w/ us for postseason but there's no doubt who the better team has been despite the head to head record.
    You are right, the proof is in the record. Sparano 3 Rex 1
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtsacksyou View Post
    In 2 games we outscored the bills by a combined total of 2 points. Against them we were 1-1. Lets not act like we sweep them every year or something, we haven't swept the bills for the last 2 or 3 years.
    Im a Jets fans

    Of course the Bills are hard for you guys :P
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