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    Editorial: Malign Neglect

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/22/op...1.html?_r=1&hp

    Extraordinary rendition — the abduction of foreigners, often innocent ones, by American agents who sent them to countries well known for torturing prisoners — was central to President George W. Bush’s antiterrorism policy. His administration then used wildly broad claims of state secrets to thwart any accountability for this immoral practice.

    President Obama has adopted the same legal tactic of using the secrecy privilege to kill lawsuits. So the only hope was that the courts would not permit these widely known abuses of power to go unchecked.

    Last Monday, the Supreme Court abdicated that duty. It declined to review a case brought by five individuals who say — credibly — that they were kidnapped and tortured in overseas prisons. The question was whether people injured by illegal interrogation and detention should be allowed their day in court or summarily tossed out.
    The lead plaintiff, an Ethiopian citizen and resident of Britain named Binyam Mohamed, was arrested in Pakistan in 2002. The C.I.A. turned him over to Moroccan interrogators, who subjected him to brutal treatment that he says included cutting his penis with a scalpel and then pouring a hot, stinging liquid on the open wound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolphins9954 View Post
    Our government is a disgrace. It deserves to be overthrown.
    Not sure if overthrown is the right remedy. But one of my biggest problems with Obama is that he kept many Bush policies in place.

    In this country we have elections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phins_4_ever View Post
    Not sure if overthrown is the right remedy. But one of my biggest problems with Obama is that he kept many Bush policies in place.

    In this country we have elections.
    That doesn't seem to work. Obama is perfect proof of that. Something dramatic along the lines of revolution has to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolphins9954 View Post
    That doesn't seem to work. Obama is perfect proof of that. Something dramatic along the lines of revolution has to happen.
    Revolution by who? And then what?
    This country can't even accept a third party as a viable force. So who is going to do the revolution? Palin/Bachman and their tea party followers bringing back slavery?

    One of those TV Priest or Pastors so the rule of law will be the Bible?

    I hear revolution and our government this and that. Talk about socialism and communism, fear mongering....and 90% of the population has not even looked outside this country, and how bad life could be (or how good in some cases) and 90% lack the proper education to explain socialism and the like.

    You have a revolution if you are surpressed and have no freedom and you want these freedoms. Revolution can not replace lack of education and common sense. That's what this country lacks. Nothing else.

    Revolution for what? You are willing to give up the right to vote? Because if you have a revolution it wouldn't make much sense with elections every 4 years. Easy to go back to the ways it was.
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    We need a revolution from the two-party system. We need a revolution from the oligarchy. We need a revolution from corporatism and special interests. We need a revolution from the status quo. In no way shape or form is that a ringing endorsement for Bachman and the Tea Party. I think you now me better than that I would hope. Everything from undeclared wars, warrantless searches, The War on Drugs the total destruction of our 4th amendment, torture, rendition, personal liberty and privacy. Both parties and the Supreme Court don't give a damn. We need a revolution that will reestablish the constitution and liberty.
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    So where are the protesters who are maligning Obama? Why have they just accepted that he continues Bush policies. If Bush was a Nazi, what does that make Obama?

    What does it say about the Left that they are willing to be so quiet when they see these policies that they abhor to continue. All the things that were promised: Gitmo, Afghanistan, Patriot Act..... all these things were promised to be ended two years ago.

    Does this tell us that the Left are hypocrites? That they are spineless? Really, what does it say when they were so vocal about hating these policies, yet don't even raise their voices beyond mild disappointment when their buy Obama continues them.

    The real proof will be his re-election. When the Left re-elects him as their candidate, that is their way of action speaking louder than words. They would rather have political power than do what is right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolphins9954 View Post
    We need a revolution from the two-party system. We need a revolution from the oligarchy. We need a revolution from corporatism and special interests. We need a revolution from the status quo. In no way shape or form is that a ringing endorsement for Bachman and the Tea Party. I think you now me better than that I would hope. Everything from undeclared wars, warrantless searches, The War on Drugs the total destruction of our 4th amendment, torture, rendition, personal liberty and privacy. Both parties and the Supreme Court don't give a damn. We need a revolution that will reestablish the constitution and liberty.
    So you are talking about a peaceful revolution? A revolution through elections?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jguig View Post
    So where are the protesters who are maligning Obama? Why have they just accepted that he continues Bush policies. If Bush was a Nazi, what does that make Obama?

    What does it say about the Left that they are willing to be so quiet when they see these policies that they abhor to continue. All the things that were promised: Gitmo, Afghanistan, Patriot Act..... all these things were promised to be ended two years ago.

    Does this tell us that the Left are hypocrites? That they are spineless? Really, what does it say when they were so vocal about hating these policies, yet don't even raise their voices beyond mild disappointment when their buy Obama continues them.

    The real proof will be his re-election. When the Left re-elects him as their candidate, that is their way of action speaking louder than words. They would rather have political power than do what is right.
    These weren't significant voter issues, and I don't imagine they will be this time around either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jguig View Post
    So where are the protesters who are maligning Obama? Why have they just accepted that he continues Bush policies. If Bush was a Nazi, what does that make Obama?

    What does it say about the Left that they are willing to be so quiet when they see these policies that they abhor to continue. All the things that were promised: Gitmo, Afghanistan, Patriot Act..... all these things were promised to be ended two years ago.

    Does this tell us that the Left are hypocrites? That they are spineless? Really, what does it say when they were so vocal about hating these policies, yet don't even raise their voices beyond mild disappointment when their buy Obama continues them.

    The real proof will be his re-election. When the Left re-elects him as their candidate, that is their way of action speaking louder than words. They would rather have political power than do what is right.
    Obama can not be re-elected with just the left or hard left. He needs independents. Without them he would have not been elected the first time around.

    If he gets re-elected it says only one thing: the GOP is in deep crap that they couldn't muster a candidate who could be victorious over Obama. It also says that their will never be a third party, a third power. 2012 would be a no-brainer for a 3rd power to emerge.
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