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Thread: Ahhh, what the hell ... Matt Moore > Mark buttfumble

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    a healthy Chad was a top 5 QB in this league BUT Chad wasn't a great playoff QB. mark has been much better under playoff pressure.

    Henne never had you near a playoff berth let alone a SB so Jet fans don't feel about mark the way you do about henne.
    Do you really believe that buttfumble is a better QB than Pennington? Pennington faced tougher competition in the playoffs (has 1 less playoff game as a Jet) with a D and running game that was not as good as what buttfumble had, and his numbers are still very close.

    Pennington 1165 yards 7tds 4 ints ----- buttfumble 1155 yards 9tds 3ints


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    Please show me all the bad QBs in NFL history to play in back to back title games(in their first 2 years no less).
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    good thing we don't rely on rankings and we watch the games w/ our eyes so we know the Jets didn't have a top 5 running game or OL last year and the D isn't an elite one which has been the main reason we lost both title games.
    You're clueless. I'm done with you. See you in 2 years when buttfumble is playing for someone else because he's atrocious.
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    Realistically, despite putting up some inspiring numbers in 09 and over the last 3 games, concussion injuries or not, Moore also has too many bumps as a 2010 starter and only 19 starts in total to definitively assert he's > than Taco.

    However, while we'd be jumping the gun making that claim, it's much safer to say that he's not any worse and leave it at that for now.




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    Quote Originally Posted by R&R Express View Post
    You're clueless. I'm done with you. See you in 2 years when buttfumble is playing for someone else because he's atrocious.
    I'm clueless

    Instead of hurling insults you really should pay attention so you learn something about this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The New Guy View Post
    Do you really believe that buttfumble is a better QB than Pennington? Pennington faced tougher competition in the playoffs (has 1 less playoff game as a Jet) with a D and running game that was not as good as what buttfumble had, and his numbers are still very close.

    Pennington 1165 yards 7tds 4 ints ----- buttfumble 1155 yards 9tds 3ints




    How exactly did Chad face tougher competition in the playoffs?

    2002 faced Indy at home, Peyton had never won a playoff game in his career to this point- our D SHUT HIM OUT.
    2002 at oakland, Oak was an 11 win team and had the 1 seed.

    2004 at SD, they had a nice record but this was Drew Brees' first playoff game and SD was a stunning playoff team. Our D held them to 17 pts through the 4th qtr and OT
    2004 at Pitt: ben's first playoff game, our D and STs scored TDs in a 20-17 OT loss

    2006 at NE: Brady's top weapons were Jabar gaffney and reche Caldwell and he had no running game.

    How are these teams better than 13-3 SD, 14-2 Indy, 14-2 NE and 12-4 Pitt?

    9 TDs and 3 INts is better than 7 and 4, right? all of buttfumble's games were on the road too and he was a rookie and 2nd yr QB while Chad was a 3rd yr, 5th year and 7th year QB
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    How exactly did Chad face tougher competition in the playoffs?

    2002 faced Indy at home, Peyton had never won a playoff game in his career to this point- our D SHUT HIM OUT.
    2002 at oakland, Oak was an 11 win team and had the 1 seed.

    2004 at SD, they had a nice record but this was Drew Brees' first playoff game and SD was a stunning playoff team. Our D held them to 17 pts through the 4th qtr and OT
    2004 at Pitt: ben's first playoff game, our D and STs scored TDs in a 20-17 OT loss

    2006 at NE: Brady's top weapons were Jabar gaffney and reche Caldwell and he had no running game.

    How are these teams better than 13-3 SD, 14-2 Indy, 14-2 NE and 12-4 Pitt?

    9 TDs and 3 INts is better than 7 and 4, right? all of buttfumble's games were on the road too and he was a rookie and 2nd yr QB while Chad was a 3rd yr, 5th year and 7th year QB
    I think you are one of about 4 Jet fans left that still support buttfumble. Give a real quarterback Holmes, Keller and Plax and they'll put on a show. I understand that buttfumble doesn't have a great line this year, but seriously neither does Roethlisberger, Rodgers or Brees, you are dilluted sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    The first thing I thought of while watching the precision of Matt Moore is Tom Brady- get ready for a dynasty!
    Hahaha! Good one!


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    Quote Originally Posted by insomnia411 View Post
    I think you are one of about 4 Jet fans left that still support buttfumble. Give a real quarterback Holmes, Keller and Plax and they'll put on a show. I understand that buttfumble doesn't have a great line this year, but seriously neither does Roethlisberger, Rodgers or Brees, you are dilluted sir.
    I couldn't care less if I was the only one, I see the game different than the average fan. I realize it's not all on mark. It's hard to succeed w/ poor OL play and no running game.

    By the way, most of the Jet fans I know still like buttfumble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    I couldn't care less if I was the only one, I see the game different than the average fan. I realize it's not all on mark. It's hard to succeed w/ poor OL play and no running game.

    By the way, most of the Jet fans I know still like buttfumble.
    Then you know the other 3 Jets fans?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    "soaphands" Edwards had very few drops last year, he was great for us last year. I think Plax has done a good job and has given Mark the RZ target he needed but Braylon was big AND a deep threat and I think he does miss him but the biggest problem w/ the O this year has been the OL. When they play well, the O plays well and we win.


    Did you watch those teams play defense? GB made the playoffs b/c of their defense b/c GB's O was so banged up, GB's D was 2nd in points allowed. When the O struggled in the title game the D scored and held down Chicago on the road.

    NO was 6th in PA 2 years ago and they created a million turnovers that year including the one that saved the NFC title game and WON the Super Bowl.



    I don't disagree w/ this post for the most part. I do think what you have done in the past counts but Mark has regressed and is playing below average right now.



    Points and points scored are not really stats, that is the goal of the game. To score and keep your opponent from scoring. The statheads will point to NE's yards allowed ranking.

    The Pats D is not a top D but they are not a bottom D either.

    buttfumble was great against a better Pats D on the road in the playoffs last year, he has the ability. he's in a funk right now and it's hard to have success when you are running for your life. It's not all his fault, the OL is the #1 culprit.

    The Fitz situation reminds me of Matt Moore. Journeyman QB who has dome success on a bad team and makes the fans believe he is a long term answer despite never playing in a big game. mark has played, won and thrived in big games.

    What sets Mark apart? this year? not much, he's not having a good year but last year? he made plays to win games and just like his rookie year he stepped up in January which many of the supposed top QBs have been unable to do.
    i honestly cant even keep debating with you because even when i say exclude the playoffs and anything previous all you do is bring back points about last year or the year before and referencing playing the pats defense of last year, enough about last year i asked about this years Pats defense, and how you can say the Patriots defense isnt that bad is just complete denial to cover up buttfumble, and for you to say the O-Line is the #1 culprit just prooves your ultimate homerism and complete coverup for buttfumble and making up excuse after excuse, not ever QB is going to have a top 5 O-Line and Running game like buttfumble did in 09, this is 2011, Jets O-Line still has 2 all pro lineman and a running back in Green who all Jet fans were so high on as they are on every player on their team, good QBs overcome bad O-Line play, as you have seen referenced in this thread, Aaron Rodgers and Cutler and Roethlisberger, i mean hell Matt Moore with Columbo the human turnstile, a rookie in Pouncey, Jake Long coming off an injury where he missed every practice and pre season game leading into the season, and 375lb Vernon Carey switching positions Matt Moore has still been able to step up and avoid the rush and make plays, buttfumble is just not good without a clean pocket, he panics and gets happy feet and does not know how to avoid a rush and without his #1 read being open he gets all jumpy and forces balls, Look at Brady last night his O-Line was getting abused and he got sacked 3 times in the first couple possessions and just got back up and continued being Brady

    I mean i believe you prove my point by saying the O-Line is the #1 culprit for your QBs poor play, the QB is responsible for his own play and to overcome any obstacles that may get in his way including his own O-Line, good QBs face and overcome that adversity, buttfumble had no adversity his rookie year with a near perfect oline and running game yet still looked completely lost, and he really has not progressed much at all since (regular season)

    I mean your OC and head coach also proved buttfumble is not good and someone they dont trust, they started off with the whole were gona air it out nonsense and after they lucked out against Romo and beat the god awful jaguars everyone was fine with it, but once they played decent competition, and buttfumble looked lost and awful again, they they abandoned having him be the guy who can shoulder the load and carry his team on his arm and openly came out and said "we need to get back to ground and pound" if that isnt the ultimate insult to buttfumble and his game then i dont know what is, you think the Packers are going to say to Aaron Rodgers "lets ground and pound it" or to any of the good QBs in this league, no because they trust their QB and know he can handle having the game all on him, not based on the running game and playing field position and defense, notice how they never ever let buttfumble "air it out" they call all safe little dump plays and short slants and come back routes, because they dont trust buttfumble making big throws, he has proved it to them in short passes that he is a pick 6 waiting to happen, he lost them that Broncos game, it never should have been up to the defense on that final drive if buttfumble doesnt throw a pick 6, buttfumble also put the final nail in the coffin in the Patriots game with another pick 6, except for a handful of good regular season games, most regular season games the jets have won have been in spite of buttfumble and over coming his deficiencies in the passing game and his mistake
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