"You win with people."-Woody Hayes
QBR would all be fine and dandy if indeed he played an entire season at a 90 QBR clip... I would also agree that if he did so, we would win 10-13 games as another poster said.
fact of the matter is he has played 8 games, and 4 of them have been over a 75 QBR some as high as 147, and 133, and the other half (4)... have been under 75 QBR.. some as low as 41 and 58......
IF he had been playing at the aforementioned 90QBR clip, we wouldn't have this thread. but he hasnt' been. and we are.
although I'd still like to see a cite on the latter.
The Orton delusions die hard, it's amazing
I'm not an orton advocate at all... I know of him and I'm pretty sure he went to south east polk high school which is right down the road. Not a orton fan at all.
I got my info straight from yahoo if your wondering.
I'm not sure why you would think I just make stats up... and I can't help the fact that one guys career is longer than the others dude... I really can't. I just got curious when you came out with a situational stat and looked up moores career numbers. I'm particularly unimpressed with his 3rd down and 3-7 yards to go QBR since QBR is the new big thing around here. Furthermore, I am underwhelmed with how he starts a game, 77.2 QBR and how he finishes a game 54.5 QBR... further cementing my opinion that we still need to fix the qb position. he's a much better qb from a QBR standpoint, when ahead than when trailing... also another redflag when talking Franchise guys...
If you look at his interception breakdown, he throws most of his int's on 1st and 3rd down. His 2 minute drill numbers are particularly underwhelming as well. Much of the reasons why a lot of guys aren't exclaiming the long term answer at qb for the franchise.
If you really look at those career numbers, I can't possibly see how any rational dude, can say, he's got it... Maybe he CAN do it, but than at the same time, you could have that opinion with just about anybody couldn't you? additionally, I don't see how anyone can say he has Earned the right to start next year... I don't think he has earned ****. 3-5?? since when does that garner a guy a promotion?
I think he should compete legitamately next year for a starters spot, and I think with a new regime that isn't tied to any one guy, he'll get a fair shake at competition.
taking it a step further just to point it out, for a guy who hasn't played much he sure does take a lot of sacks and fumble a ton... most of his sacks all come on 1, 2, and 3rd down with 6+ yards to go.
jury is still out though I guess. I already said I'd give him the rest of the season to judge, but I'm left very underwhelmed to this point. that 3 game stretch was nice, but as his career numbers show, he's a much better qb with a lead, and we don't have a defense that is going to pitch a shutout or hold opponents to 10 points or less all season... we just don't.
I love how everyone is focused on the QB for this loss. Seems that defense and coaching got a free pass. I think the defense is as much to blame as anything.
Also, I think that by the time we end this season after playing the tough schedule ahead, we will know all we need to know about Matt Moore. We won't have to have 24 page debates. He will either prove himself or not.